final fantasy xi expansion being excluded from playstion2 users

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Originally Posted by Bahamut

As a player who started online games on the PS2, played EQOA And FFXI launches on the PS2, I can feel ya there bud. Just last year they shut down EQOA leaving only FFXI as the MMO left on ps2. I did buy a PC and the requirments for them to run are very low, a $50 computer can run ffxi. Since I switched the Graphics on the PC are very very fine and nice if you get the settings just right in the FFXI config menu. You can also use a Logitech dual action controler, which is identical to the ps2 controler, and the config menu even has the presets of the PS2 in it for your Logitech controler. It works exactly like the ps2 but its on the PC. I know it was hard putting my ps2 into the electronic recycle bin, I had to give it a graveyard salute, even if anyone around me dint understand what I was doing talking to a ps2. GL, hope this helps in your transition to a PC, from one past ps2 player to another.

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i loved eqoa so much. i miss it.

well the way I see it is this. my ps2 has been going strong since I bought it which was the day ps2 was released. ffxi was made for pc/ps2 then xbox. there is no good reason to release this new exp for only pc,xbox,and jp ps2 users and not na ps2 users.Granted the system is old outdated and does not look near as good as it does on pc however no reason to exclude ps2. idk why they cant make it to where you can transfer ffxi from ps2 to ps3. not everyone likes xbox. i didn't spend all that money or time building my character to be told to just deal with it. there has to be a way to transfer it to ps3 somehow. would hate to quit now when I've come soo far.

If you owned your own company and you had to pay to have it released on PS2 you'd choose against it just like SE have. For games and disk production etc you have to have them produced in bulk which costs a fair bit of money, which is never usually a problem because a game if new or popular will make all of that back within the first month. However, FFXI is not popular compared to most other games in EU/NA, and then realise that PS2 players in those areas is a hell of a lot smaller than Xbox and PC. They have an incredibly good chance of making say 10,000 game copies and only selling 100-500 making it a severe loss. If they made 1,000 copies and only sold 500 then they'd still be making a loss and would have people complaining that they can't buy it in shops only the SE website because there wouldn't be enough for them to give to Amazon and every other game website/shop in every country. You must see why they haven't released it on PS2? While I agree it's a bit unfair on PS2 players, they're a business at the end of the day and will always put money first, but then as i first mentioned, so would you in their situation.

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Originally Posted by ktulu

well the way I see it is this. my ps2 has been going strong since I bought it which was the day ps2 was released. ffxi was made for pc/ps2 then xbox. there is no good reason to release this new exp for only pc,xbox,and jp ps2 users and not na ps2 users.

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Actually there is. The reason is the cost to manufacture and distribute an NA-region PS2 disc as compared against the potential profit of selling that disc.

Keep in mind the PS2 is region-locked so a JP disc would require a JP PS2 to use. Any NA PS2 install would require an NA-specific disc, so they can't just take the same JP PS2 disc they're already manufacturing, slap it in a new box, and ship it overseas.

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Granted the system is old outdated and does not look near as good as it does on pc however no reason to exclude ps2.

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You are correct, that is not a reason for exclusion. It also is unlikely to be why SE did what they did. (See above.)

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idk why they cant make it to where you can transfer ffxi from ps2 to ps3.

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That would be because of the different hardware the two systems contain. Only the first (and second?) generation of PS3 could run PS2 games at all, and that's because they basically shoved a PS2 inside of the PS3 box.

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not everyone likes xbox. i didn't spend all that money or time building my character to be told to just deal with it. there has to be a way to transfer it to ps3 somehow. would hate to quit now when I've come soo far.

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So don't quit. You have several options:
1) Continue playing on PS2 (or on a PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility) without the Seekers of Adoulin expansion.
2) If you have or acquire a JP-region PS2 (or JP-region PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility), obtain a JP-region Seekers of Adoulin install disc, and continue playing on PS2/PS3.
3) Switch to PC. (Acquiring an FFXI-capable PC if you do not already have one.)
4) Switch to XBox. (Acquiring an XBox 360 with Hard Drive if you do not already have one.)
5) Quit.

Personally, I would recommend option 3 or 4, as those are probably cheaper than option 2's importing a JP-region PS2/3 and expansion disc, and don't limit/remove your gameplay as options 1 and 5 do... but the choice is yours, and these are the options I see being open to you with the reality of the situation being what it currently is.

Look, SquareEnix has decided not to release an NA-Region PS2 Seekers of Adoulin expansion or collection disc. They have a reason for it.

You don't have to like that decision or the reason for it, but don't pretend that the reason for it doesn't exist.

You have options to address this. You can keep playing without the expansion or switch to a platform (including JP-region PS2) that is supported with the expansion. Or you can show SE the depth of your displeasure by quitting and denying them your money. You have options, even though none of them are the one you truly want.

Denying reality does not change it.

So I do have one idea that might make an NA PS2 SoA release a reality. I started a new thread about it here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/fo...#threads/31927

Well kickstarter is good to show that there is interest. Although it may be cheaper to just get an Xbox or PC. But honestly, you are not missing out much on SoA, you can wait a year or 18 months till there are a good chunk of data is actually added. Right now SoA is like 10% or less of what an expansion should be. So yeah, start saving 20 dollars a month for a new Xbox :)

they released this for jp players and not na players so that isn't an issue. I do run my own company. at the very least this should be a download just like the last 6 add ons. its not that big a down load

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Originally Posted by ktulu

they released this for jp players and not na players so that isn't an issue. I do run my own company. at the very least this should be a download just like the last 6 add ons. its not that big a down load

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I'm... not sure what you running your own company has to do with this?

Anyways, the story and battlefield Add-Ons were not actual Expansions, as Seekers of Adoulin is.

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Actually there is. The reason is the cost to manufacture and distribute an NA-region PS2 disc as compared against the potential profit of selling that disc.

Keep in mind the PS2 is region-locked so a JP disc would require a JP PS2 to use. Any NA PS2 install would require an NA-specific disc, so they can't just take the same JP PS2 disc they're already manufacturing, slap it in a new box, and ship it overseas.


You are correct, that is not a reason for exclusion. It also is unlikely to be why SE did what they did. (See above.)
That would be because of the different hardware the two systems contain. Only the first (and second?) generation of PS3 could run PS2 games at all, and that's because they basically shoved a PS2 inside of the PS3 box.

So don't quit. You have several options:
1) Continue playing on PS2 (or on a PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility) without the Seekers of Adoulin expansion.
2) If you have or acquire a JP-region PS2 (or JP-region PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility), obtain a JP-region Seekers of Adoulin install disc, and continue playing on PS2/PS3.
3) Switch to PC. (Acquiring an FFXI-capable PC if you do not already have one.)
4) Switch to XBox. (Acquiring an XBox 360 with Hard Drive if you do not already have one.)
5) Quit.

Personally, I would recommend option 3 or 4, as those are probably cheaper than option 2's importing a JP-region PS2/3 and expansion disc, and don't limit/remove your gameplay as options 1 and 5 do... but the choice is yours, and these are the options I see being open to you with the reality of the situation being what it currently is.

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I don't think option 2 is possible. Although you can access the server through the JP and NA game, they are different games? I think I remember hearing it isn't possible to log into the japanese version with a NA account... I mean isn't that the reason our service accounts have our region on it?