The Melee Mage

The reason for RDM/NIN is to assist the BLMs and cover Ninja procs. Ever since SE removed the San line there isn't a reason to bring a pure NIN unless their your friend. What my shell does is have one of our BRD's go /PLD, the other one goes /NIN so we got both of those covered.

Honestly against anything less then T6 it shouldn't matter. We were doing voidwatch spam the other day for gear and Ig-Alima was just melting. Later on did Pil and that was a joke, had to hold damage throughout the fight to get capped red. So honestly damage output isn't a big issue with anything not Prov or T6 / Morta / Bismark. There is plenty of gear that people want so there will be plenty of opportunities.

One of the few places where a Hybrid makes sense is six man dungeon crawls. The ability to replenish MP, heal deal both magic and melee damage, debuff and "tank" all in one job is pretty useful. Currently BLU takes the crown there, mostly due to SE giving BLU's light and dark aoe sleeps while giving RDM absolutely sh!t.

I think secretly... all mages want to melee.

I know I do.

Melee WHM for life. :D

Ain't nothing more satisfying than taking a hammer to your foe's noggin!

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Originally Posted by Mirage

But would you mind doing even finer?

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Of course not. I'm always hoping that WHM will get better melee options.
That aside, it actually has pretty fantastic melee gear available as it stands.

It really doesn't get access to Double / Triple attack gear, but it also doesn't have a lot of use for it outside of Mystic Boon.

Rdm, Blm. Sch if you want to do damage use magic! If your magic sucks then go skill it up
If it still sucks after that .....then find the gear that works for you.
You're not helping the party melee your only making it worse.
When the game first started BLM was and still is the strongest Damage Dealer in the game. NO job can pass it sch come's close but blm has access to more powerful magic.
Rdm can solo pretty decent with a sword you could prob do decent damage if you had the right gear.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka

Rdm, Blm. Sch if you want to do damage use magic! If your magic sucks then go skill it up
If it still sucks after that .....then find the gear that works for you.
You're not helping the party melee your only making it worse.
When the game first started BLM was and still is the strongest Damage Dealer in the game. NO job can pass it sch come's close but blm has access to more powerful magic.
Rdm can solo pretty decent with a sword you could prob do decent damage if you had the right gear.

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I do agree that RDM should not even be classified as a mage, it is a hybrid, it should do well at all of its abilities, but as also pointed out not be the best, before SE nerfed the hell out of it RDM(thanks SE, I was quite capable of getting enmity- gear if I wanted it, I didn't need nor want it as an auto trait with cures) was a really good tank, there is good gear for it, but alas since they screwed over the enmity RDM can't keep hate very well so taking is a thing of the past

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Originally Posted by Theytak

People let DD rdms in, but leave pup and bst on the curb? There's something fundamentally wrong about that...

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If you have a good enough BST, no one should mind watching you and your pet beat stuff up. People don't see BST as a DD, which is hilarious considering it can have one of the highest DPS contributions in the game with their pets.

It'll never happen, but I'd like to see WHM get an A+ in club. Sure, PLD can use most of what WHM can, but seriously, Club is the WHM weapon. People associate Club with WHM.

And I think one of the mages should get an A+ in staff too.

Actually... All weapons should have one job with an A+ in it. Just sayin. Especially when there is only one job that can use that weapon type... Ninja/Katana. :mad:

Hell, I'd be happy if we even got A- in club.

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

I do agree that RDM should not even be classified as a mage

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

classified as a mage

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

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This is pure a player distinction.

Blue Mage isn't even thought of as a back line job. Scholar, despite not having the words "Mage" in their name are basically a backline job. Some jobs have elements for the front line that can be played with or played into.

Just like there are situations where a Beastmaster should stay in the back away from their pet and there are others where it should fight along side its pet, there are situations where many jobs often though of as back line should be sitting with the rest of the group. Not all of these situations are even melee related - for example White Mage has some spells, traits, and abilities that encourage you to sit close to the rest of the party in the thick of things.

So a Blue "Mage" isn't just a "Mage" but it is also a Monsterspell Swordsmen. Red "Mage" isn't just a "Mage" but it is also a Spellsword. White "Mage" isn't just a "Mage" but it is also a Cleric.

No job should be classified as a "Mage" just because of what their class is called.