New Jobs - Will you aby burn or no?

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Originally Posted by DarkBass

Why campaign? I can just burn it to 99 after 65. With leveling it the regular way just to enjoy the experience of old school leveling, and having leveled other jobs similar to it, im not really missing out on anything but getting it to 99 quicker at that point.

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What you miss out on:
The Gameplay SE Low and Midvl feels like today. Then you can actually bitch about how lame exping would feel for a new Player. Other than that. Its preferance how you like to exp. (I for myself want to work for want i have. My exp included.)

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Originally Posted by Eri

What you miss out on:
(I for myself want to work for want i have. My exp included.)

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Would you be happy if you went to a restaurant and had to beat the chef at a cook-off to get the meal you already paid for? How about a bar that requires you to best the bartender at an armwrestling match before he gives you the beer you purchased?

I already work for what I get in FFXI from SE. It's my 10-hour per day career. I use the money from that to pay to play a game. I shouldn't be expected to work for anything in that game. If the process of gaining something (exp, baubles, skills), is enjoyable, I'll do it for the fun factor.

Old exp parties, NM camping, etc. were fun for a while. They aren't anymore, for me. That's obviously the real issue people are differing on - what constitutes fun for them. To be bring duty and hard work into it is ridiculous. It's some weird attempt to make yourself seem more responsible than other people when you should just keep it at "I like it" and be done with it.

I'll never do anything in FFXI because I feel I need to earn it from SE. I've already done that. Earning help from other players is a different story, and I'll do that gladly with give and take. But that's not at all necessary for exp anymore.

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Originally Posted by Merton9999

Would you be happy if you went to a restaurant and had to beat the chef at a cook-off to get the meal you already paid for? How about a bar that requires you to best the bartender at an armwrestling match before he gives you the beer you purchased?

I already work for what I get in FFXI from SE. It's my 10-hour per day career. I use the money from that to pay to play a game. I shouldn't be expected to work for anything in that game. If the process of gaining something (exp, baubles, skills), is enjoyable, I'll do it for the fun factor.

Old exp parties, NM camping, etc. were fun for a while. They aren't anymore, for me. That's obviously the real issue people are differing on - what constitutes fun for them. To be bring duty and hard work into it is ridiculous. It's some weird attempt to make yourself seem more responsible than other people when you should just keep it at "I like it" and be done with it.

I'll never do anything in FFXI because I feel I need to earn it from SE. I've already done that. Earning help from other players is a different story, and I'll do that gladly with give and take. But that's not at all necessary for exp anymore.

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Thats kinda weird XD

You pay for.... content you can play with. What you do with it is a diffent Story.

You pay for a meal. Meaning You get the meal. Now you can either eat it or do whatever with it (Throw it away?).

Same for the Game. In your exaple eating it would be 'work'. Leeching your Jobs to 99 is throwing it away (in my point of View).

So you pay for the content provided. If you feel like exping with others is a waste of time. Then your welcome to leech to 99 and throwing away a part of the gameplay that you payed for.
Its also not 'earning it from SE' its more like that you feel that you deserve what you have, so earing it from yourself.

Thats however my Point of view, that can differ from person to person.

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Originally Posted by Eri

Thats kinda weird XD

You pay for.... content you can play with. What you do with it is a diffent Story.

You pay for a meal. Meaning You get the meal. Now you can either eat it or do whatever with it (Throw it away?).

Same for the Game. In your exaple eating it would be 'work'. Leeching your Jobs to 99 is throwing it away (in my point of View).

So you pay for the content provided. If you feel like exping with others is a waste of time. Then your welcome to leech to 99 and throwing away a part of the gameplay that you payed for.
Its also not 'earning it from SE' its more like that you feel that you deserve what you have, so earing it from yourself.

Thats however my Point of view, that can differ from person to person.

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The problem with this logic is that nothing is focussed on pre-75. So "enjoying the meal" in your example, would mean focusing on the appetizer and ignoring the main dish. Everything in FFXI is revolving around Lv99. If going getting from Lv1 to Lv99 is important to you, then enjoy the appetizer. Most players are going to find the most convenient/expedient method of levelling to enjoy the man course.

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

The problem with this logic is that nothing is focussed on pre-75. So "enjoying the meal" in your example, would mean focusing on the appetizer and ignoring the main dish. Everything in FFXI is revolving around Lv99. If going getting from Lv1 to Lv99 is important to you, then enjoy the appetizer. Most players are going to find the most convenient/expedient method of levelling to enjoy the man course.

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This is my point pretty much. Experience point grinding is no longer the meal to me. It's an extra cost. One that I don't feel obligated to pay as if doing so made me responsible and moral. It's just wasted time that I could be spending on something I like, after I've already spent 10 hours that day on a job.

Like I said the whole OP question should just be about preference. I have no issue with someone saying "I'll exp the old way because it's still fun for me." Own that and be proud of what you like. I have an issue with people trying to elevate that preference to the point of principle and claiming that spending weeks hitting stuff in an MMO makes them more responsible than the other guy.

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Originally Posted by Eri

So you pay for the content provided. If you feel like exping with others is a waste of time. Then your welcome to leech to 99 and throwing away a part of the gameplay that you payed for.
Its also not 'earning it from SE' its more like that you feel that you deserve what you have, so earing it from yourself.

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Originally Posted by Llana_Virren

The problem with this logic is that nothing is focussed on pre-75. So "enjoying the meal" in your example, would mean focusing on the appetizer and ignoring the main dish.

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I would compare it more to buying a lobster dish. Sure, you can eat the shell of a lobster if you feel it's an achievement, but it's tedious and tastes bad, and the only purpose of it is to get to the actual meat. And it won't make the meat itself any more enjoyable, nor will it make you more proficient at eating it. It's just part of the meal that most of the population agrees is better off untasted. Being part of the meal that's being served does not equal being part of the meal that's worth eating.

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I would compare it more to buying a lobster dish. Sure, you can eat the shell of a lobster if you feel it's an achievement, but it's tedious and tastes bad, and the only purpose of it is to get to the actual meat. And it won't make the meat itself any more enjoyable, nor will it make you more proficient at eating it. It's just part of the meal that most of the population agrees is better off untasted. Being part of the meal that's being served does not equal being part of the meal that's worth eating.

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You had be at Lobster.
I'm a Mainer and I'm heading back to the east coast from Japan this summer. Although I will miss living in Japan, I am most certainly missing true, fresh Maine lobstah even more!

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Originally Posted by Arcon

I would compare it more to buying a lobster dish. Sure, you can eat the shell of a lobster if you feel it's an achievement, but it's tedious and tastes bad, and the only purpose of it is to get to the actual meat. And it won't make the meat itself any more enjoyable, nor will it make you more proficient at eating it. It's just part of the meal that most of the population agrees is better off untasted. Being part of the meal that's being served does not equal being part of the meal that's worth eating.

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Yeah this is dead on. I'll forever have the image of crunching into a lobster shell every time I laboriously FoV/GoV a new job to 30.

I might also liken it to a cable subscription where I pay for a package of channels instead of picking and choosing among them. Avoiding channels and programs that don't appeal to me will not make me feel that I'm throwing my cable subscription money away. On the contrary, I'm much more sensitive about wasting time on part of a luxury activity I don't enjoy than I am about get my money's worth.

Now that I think of it, will RMT's thrive once this comes out? Who else is going to run an abyssea xp party, allowing 15 leechers.

fuuuuuuck yeah i'll burn the shit out of them and then learn how to play it while skilling up for two weeks.