BYE TANAKA!

Hes responsible for my awesome childhood and stands as one of the very best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLK8I...feature=relmfu

This isn't about FFXI, Its about respect. Which people forgot about

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAgti_2uziA

HAHA OLD PEOPLE!!!! THEY SOO OLD YA KNOW...

as for Tanaka... oldsolidsnakesalute.gif

It nice square finally fired him, oops meant gave him a choice to get fired or retirement but old bones still smart enough to come up with the old health excuse. i once work for large company till went to china and these were the excuses that the upper te ups use to do to save public face.

Ill give him alot props for his direction on the story of the game , but the rest he was to proud of him self to listen to other people inside his organization. and what has he done in the last few yrs , messed up ff14 and also ff11 once he took over.

For those that have not notice just do a sea all on your world and notice now that he took over that a few the server or down to 1k to 2k on some there ready for new merger again , at abyssea peak was 4k to 5k on most the servers. the game been going down hill because his direction.

This biggest problem once done on abyssea or what not if were not in the rush to get void watch done your out of luck since no ones doing the lower tier ones. So time to quit, neo nyzul well see he brought the cheaters again.

instead of innovating something he just makes it a grind. Instead of using stuff that works on other mmos that you can improve on , he just make stuff time sinks to point that it becomes time to quit game, he need understand that people work and got lifes and other stuff to do. Healthy mmos need have a balance for hardcore and the casuals player and that why abyssea was so nice, but could have used some more improvement. instead wasting time on voidwatch stuff he should just made a new abyssea in wing of goddess area that was super hard.

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Originally Posted by sc4500

For those that have not notice just do a sea all on your world and notice now that he took over that a few the server or down to 1k to 2k on some there ready for new merger again , at abyssea peak was 4k to 5k on most the servers. the game been going down hill because his direction.

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I see you didn't do your research properly. Tanaka was in charge of FFXI while it was at its peak, and had its biggest number of subscribers. Incidentally, when he was moved off FFXI, player numbers slumped (and this started with Abyssea).

Thinking he makes every decision on 'balance' without hundreds of team meetings lots of testing / number crunching shows that you know nothing about the development cycle or large organizations. While the 'blame' will fall on his shoulders (as it publicly has) - he's certainly not solely responsible and to think he is.... well, it's just irrational.

The game went downhill because of 'Abyssea' and SE as much stated it when they told us "Abyssea was probably a mistake" in a public interview - still visible on Zam's website.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

I see you didn't do your research properly. Tanaka was in charge of FFXI while it was at its peak, and had its biggest number of subscribers. Incidentally, when he was moved off FFXI, player numbers slumped (and this started with Abyssea).

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Subscription losses are generally a lagging indicator. If people were quitting around the heyday of Abyssea they were probably quitting for things related to pre-Abyssea. It's the post-Abyssea numbers you want.

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Thinking he makes every decision on 'balance' without hundreds of team meetings lots of testing / number crunching shows that you know nothing about the development cycle or large organizations. While the 'blame' will fall on his shoulders (as it publicly has) - he's certainly not solely responsible and to think he is.... well, it's just irrational.

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It's Japan. Anyone under him was more than likely going along with whatever he wanted. He's the boss and they generally have a strong respect for authority. I don't mean that to be offensive in any way. I'm not saying dissent is nonexistent in Japan or in SE's online division. I just think it's highly unlikely there was very much of it.

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The game went downhill because of 'Abyssea' and SE as much stated it when they told us "Abyssea was probably a mistake" in a public interview - still visible on Zam's website.

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"Mistake" is highly subjective. Developers are just as biased as anyone, and they certainly aren't infallible. To me, Abyssea is by far their best work and I'd gladly pay mucho dinero for more of it. In my mind the mistake is giving up on it too soon.

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Subscription losses are generally a lagging indicator. If people were quitting around the heyday of Abyssea they were probably quitting for things related to pre-Abyssea. It's the post-Abyssea numbers you want.

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Yes, people quit for problems over the previous 8 years just after Abyssea was released. Giving a massive slump in players over a 12 month period. That makes perfect sense. Or could it be that not everyone thinks Abyssea was the game-saver that you think it was?

I believe Subscriber numbers are even lower now than during Abyssea (or the same), so if your own argument is anything to go by - that doesn't look good for team-Abyssea.

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It's Japan. Anyone under him was more than likely going along with whatever he wanted. He's the boss and they generally have a strong respect for authority. I don't mean that to be offensive in any way. I'm not saying dissent is nonexistent in Japan or in SE's online division. I just think it's highly unlikely there was very much of it.

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Agreed to an extent, but I don't think he's arrogant enough to scream "BARANCE" at his team during every meeting about game development. He's been doing this long enough to know how it works.

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To me, Abyssea is by far their best work and I'd gladly pay mucho dinero for more of it. In my mind the mistake is giving up on it too soon.

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The joys of opinion. Abyssea seems to have very split opinion. I thought it was great, but in small doses. I wouldn't want any more of it though. Fortunately, the few details they did announce of SoA sounded good, specially the new battle/progress/zone systems.

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Yes, people quit for problems over the previous 8 years just after Abyssea was released. Giving a massive slump in players over a 12 month period. That makes perfect sense. Or could it be that not everyone thinks Abyssea was the game-saver that you think it was?

I believe Subscriber numbers are even lower now than during Abyssea, so if your own argument is anything to go by - that doesn't look good for team-Abyssea.

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I didn't say it was a game saver, and I said look at the numbers because I wanted you to look at the numbers. Maybe a lot of people did drop because of Abyssea. If it's true it's true. I'd like to see the truth.

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Agreed to an extent, but I don't think he's arrogant enough to scream "BARANCE" at his team during every meeting about game development. He's been doing this long enough to know how it works.

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I doubt he screamed at all. I'm sure he was very polite in telling them how things were going to be done in his house.

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The joys of opinion. Abyssea seems to have very split opinion. I thought it was great, but in small doses. I wouldn't want any more of it though. Fortunately, the few details they did announce of SoA sounded good, specially the new battle/progress/zone systems.

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The best case would be if they had something like Abyssea along side stuff like VW or Legion or whatever it is hardcore people want. I'd be fine with that as long as I felt as though I had a comfortable path of progression.

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Originally Posted by Dazusu

I see you didn't do your research properly. Tanaka was in charge of FFXI while it was at its peak, and had its biggest number of subscribers. Incidentally, when he was moved off FFXI, player numbers slumped (and this started with Abyssea).

Thinking he makes every decision on 'balance' without hundreds of team meetings lots of testing / number crunching shows that you know nothing about the development cycle or large organizations. While the 'blame' will fall on his shoulders (as it publicly has) - he's certainly not solely responsible and to think he is.... well, it's just irrational.

The game went downhill because of 'Abyssea' and SE as much stated it when they told us "Abyssea was probably a mistake" in a public interview - still visible on Zam's website.

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I was on this game when he failed on COP and at the time on bismark server had only 234 low point amount people on the game and japanese time was 900 people peak this was avg, then when aht urhgan came out jump up to around 1100-2200 daily. then when xbox live version came on line went back to 3800avg since the ps2 people and pc got there friends come back to game and then the gil selling sites went through the roof inflated the populations , this all just from what i seen over the yrs, At his peak square was counting mules and all the websites that were out at the time creating accounts to sell gill to people then square started the banned hammers do legal reasons and tanka moved to ff14 at this time and when square had banned people it drop down to 1k to 200 avg on servers . then when abyssea was out it went back to pre COP 4000-5500 people mostly normal people. yea server were merged at this time abyssea.

square mistake was getting tanaka back he didn't see the future instead got stuck in his old ways and people below him listen and the people above him gave him to much respect that he did earn over the years.
Just look at void watch its a mess no new play can ever play it way it design now it take 2 yrs or some good friends hook them up to get access to the end and neo nyzul isle that a mess to. When he should have directed and made square more money and created a advance abyssea to sell us for 10$ so people didnt leave. alot people hate last 2 yrs content. It would kept more people still playing on there drop in and out play times. and then at same time work on the new add on disk.

As much as most people hate this casual people are ones that makes a mmos there money , hardcore are the only ones on the game forums. and casual and midcore players are the one that quit, and thats why a free to play mmo that done right can make more money in one year then a subscription base model in 10 years.

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Originally Posted by sc4500

As much as most people hate this casual people are ones that makes a mmos there money, and thats why a free to play mmo that done right can make more money in one year then a subscription base model in 10 years.

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Yes, most MMOs - but this MMO? No. Because this MMO was never designed as 'casual' from the start. So the majority of players (up until Abyssea) were not casual. Abyssea hits - the `hardcore` quit, and what's left is a dwindled population. Your theory might apply to new games, but this one that's 10 years old? Not so much.

Free to play making more than subscription in a decade? I'd have to see numbers to even contemplate believing that.

Yes, I consider most of the people playing this game as casual

That or a lot of people play the game and do nothing for extended periods of time

Read the posts properly. Now they are casual. Before Abyssea, No. Sorry, was I not clear enough the first time?