Lack of Haste Samba merits makes me cry. Or more so, the fact you have Step Accuracy merits. Regular Accuracy gear is the same as Step Accuracy. Unnecessary merits. I've said it before, you shouldn't have problems hitting things at this stage in the game. Plus, Presto gives a huge accuracy bonus to steps anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rieul
I get that you want to play different, but that's just a waste. Haste Samba will increase your damage dealt, as well as everyone else benefiting from the samba. And with the set bonus from AF3+2 you'll most likely, and should have a Samba up always.
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03-20-2011, 03:47 PMJesterking
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03-20-2011, 03:57 PMFrost
SO I was wrong, and to redeem myself I worked hard to fill in the missing information where I was wrong.
I got mixed up, you're right, the floor is 20%. A bit got flipped in my head on that one. That was just me being an idiot and associating things that aren't linked.
And you're right, the bonus per level is 4 accuracy, not 4% hit rate. (Which bombs all my arguments for the most part, as that was the basis for my logic...)
Hit Rate = 75% + (Accuracy - Evasion) x 0.5% + (Attacker's Level - Defender's Level) x 2%
So the following is a breakdown:
Assuming your total base evasion is equal to the monster's total accuracy and assuming the monster is your level:
You would evade 25% of the time.
To cap, assuming that +2 Evasion = -1% hit rate, you would need 110 evasion to cap under the above assumptions.
For every level the monster is your senior, you would need 4 additional evasion per level to maintain capped evasion. Assuming they don't get any additional accuracy bonuses.
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My Evasion Sources:
Evasion Bonus III: 35
Dagger: 20
Pants +2: 15
Evasion from AGI on gear(20): 10
Total evasion from my personal bonuses: roughly 80
So if the mob "Even Match", and was a B+ in "Bashing its head against things" that would go with my evasion, assuming the monsters DEX matched my AGI. From that point I would be 25% evasive, and the above bonuses would put me at 65% total evasion roughly.
So to Cap, I would still need an additional 30 evasion.
Or 60 AGI, which, in Abyssea, is really easy to get. Assuming you got all the Furtherance buffs, and moderate influence in either Dominion or Bastion, you got that covered. Leaving all the fine tuning for level corrections to rest on the shoulders of any thing else you can add.
Gnarled Horn could buy you 6 levels.
Another Evasion Dagger would get you 6 levels.
Closed Position almost 4 levels fully merited.
4/4 Evasion Merits would be just under 2 levels (Assuming they suffer the same penalty after 200 skill).
Torero Torque just over 2.
Evasion Torque, just under 2.
Boxer's Mantle 2, half way to 3.
But as stated just now, each monster gets bonuses and penalties that are hard to account for.
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To answer your question specifically.
Versus most(not all) things in Abyssea, assuming you have:
capped combat skills,
5/5 Closed Position,
4/4 evasion merits,
both your daggers are Evasion Daggers,
all the Furtherance Abyssites,
Low to moderate influence in Dominion or Bastion,
AND use at least Gnarled Horn or Dark Depths Atma (no reason not to as a dnc)...
It would be safe to say you're pretty much capped, and still leaves you capable of going full Haste gear, and use Razed Ruins + Apoc on your remaining two Atmas.
You could still probably drop the Closed Position Merits and be Capped in Abyssea. -
03-20-2011, 04:02 PMRieulI see why you said what said. (Feel free to skip to the last sentence)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesterking
Haste Samba Merits only affect Haste.
I chose against HS due to the fact that there is Drain and Aspir Samba. You may want to maxxxor out your hastorz or whatever but I wanted something that was practical in all situations.
When you use Drain Samba or Aspir Samba, don't you feel like you wasted those merits? Perhaps not.
No, Step acc is not a waste imo; I solo a lot of NM and whatnot inside and out of abyseea.
Outside at 90, sure it's overkill but then I can put more focus into ATK, DEX or even CHR.
The last thing you want is to miss a step as DNC.
Again, take it or leave it. To each their own. -
03-20-2011, 04:03 PMTsukino_Kaji
So I'll switch my head to that -12 one with the 4% haste. lol
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03-20-2011, 04:04 PMFrostLink >>> Don't be a fool...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji
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03-20-2011, 04:13 PMKaeoniYou make it sound like you want to stack more atk dex and chr on your steps. Steps don't do any damage. I'm confused, could you clarify?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rieul
Though dancer can now cap -Delay without haste samba entirely, i just figured that was your reason. I keep it around for other people honestly~ -
03-20-2011, 04:15 PMTsukino_KajiIt was 90 the night the servers were shut down, I ain't got charis nothin'. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Frost
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03-20-2011, 04:17 PMFrostWhat? Can you spell that out for me?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaeoni
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03-20-2011, 04:21 PMFrostFair enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji
Soloing the Seal NMs is easy for +1 (Don't fear Berstuk cause it's a caster... Hes stupid easy to interrupt), and soloing the T1/2 VNMs is a pain because of competition, but the T3 is easy, but pointless to solo w/out magic triggers. -
03-20-2011, 04:25 PMByrth2x Marches with AF3+2 hands = 23.5% HasteQuote:
Originally Posted by Frost
Haste = 15% Haste
Gear = 25% Haste
.2/(1-.235-.15-.25) = .55
So we need 45% Dual Wield to cap delay without Haste Samba. Fortunately we have access to 30% from traits and 18% from gear, so we can.
Drain Samba and Aspir Samba are a waste of time and TP though, so you're better off using Haste Samba still and either dropping gear Haste or Dual Wield back.
To clarify the sentiment of my post:
Only failures don't merit Haste Samba.