DRK is good enough already...

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Originally Posted by Jar

Torcleaver Did not beat them in Weaponskill damage Tho Avrg Ukkos was only doing 700~ more.


DRK won for the raw fact that Caladbolg will hit MUCH MUCH faster than Ukon.


DRK bosts 86 Delay with Caladbolg with march haste Last resort and doesnt even need full haste in gear to hit 80% (needs 12% in gear to cap)

while ukon.. war will only be at 78.71% haste(102.6133 delay) unless you group took another DD worth of damage out to put a DNC in .. retarded to say the least.

now lets say they BOTH hit for the full 1 and a half min of PD

WAR 1.71 sec delay and 90 sec zerg = 52 swings
DRK 1.43 sec delay and 90 sec zerg = 62 swings

The DRK is meleeing 16.12% Faster and has a VERY significant lead with PDIF Infact unless you are 2 houring on WAR this difference is massive.

so how about this for logic? Bring the job that DOESNT need the BRDs or itself to 2 hour? or bring the jobs that only wins when EVERYONE twohours? when doing 5 AV in an event Its retarded to use that much time on Two hours because you can only have so many CORs and taking everyone out of the zone into abyssea to reset isnt fast either.

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Hmm interesting but where does your double attack rate factor into this particular example considering warriors get vast amounts of DA now upping their overall attack rate and TP gain.

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Originally Posted by Chriscoffey

Hmm interesting but where does your double attack rate factor into this particular example considering warriors get vast amounts of DA now upping their overall attack rate and TP gain.

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you zerg drk/war so the double attack difference is only about 3 hits(war at 30% DRK at 20%) the war would need much more hits than that or someway to get alot more attack to close the gap.

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Originally Posted by Jar

you zerg drk/war so the double attack difference is only about 3 hits(war at 30% DRK at 20%) the war would need much more hits than that or someway to get alot more attack to close the gap.

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You are so out of touch with Reality, its getting old. Your assumptions aren't even correct and you vastly underestimate WARs damage potential, esp in a zerg. The parse is still vapor and you are still talking out of your rearend. Drop it and troll another thread.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

You are so out of touch with Reality, its getting old. Your assumptions aren't even correct and you vastly underestimate WARs damage potential, esp in a zerg. The parse is still vapor and you are still talking out of your rearend. Drop it and troll another thread.

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Less crying more math if im so wrong tell me why.

lets say AV has 999 def - diaIII and angon (999)-(999*.35)= 649 def

649*2.2(caped PDIF value) =1428 attack

now DRK....
(8+354+16+5+(99+36*.75)+70[from gear]+60[traits]+62[endark]((81+66)*2)[songs])= 970+50% (Last resort + Berserk) = 1455+150(Red Curry bun)= 1605 (capped)

now.. war....
(8+361+16+(99+36*.75)+200[from gear and ill give it a bonus <3]+10[trait]((81+66)*2)[songs])= +50% (Last resort + Berserk) = +150(Red Curry bun)= 1387.5 STILL not capping and i gave you +200 attack in gear lmao an imposable number to get.


so hitting slower and having less attack what hidden fanboy math am i missing in this?

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Originally Posted by Jar

Less crying more math if im so wrong tell me why.

lets say AV has 999 def - diaIII and angon (999)-(999*.35)= 649 def

649*2.2(caped PDIF value) =1428 attack

now DRK....
(8+354+16+5+(99+36*.75)+70[from gear]+60[traits]+62[endark]((81+66)*2)[songs])= 970+50% (Last resort + Berserk) = 1455+150(Red Curry bun)= 1605 (capped)

now.. war....
(8+361+16+(99+36*.75)+200[from gear and ill give it a bonus <3]+10[trait]((81+66)*2)[songs])= +50% (Last resort + Berserk) = +150(Red Curry bun)= 1387.5 STILL not capping and i gave you +200 attack in gear lmao an imposable number to get.


so hitting slower and having less attack what hidden fanboy math am i missing in this?

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Right because capping attack is the end all be all. Esp against a job with a higher crit rate which more then negates the attack difference. (if the WAR 2hrs just chuck the att diff out the window) 6hit /sam with 34DA+set bonus (thats what I tp in) and opening with Sekka is going to crush out the extra attack.
The only way a DRK is beating a WAR in a zerg is with SE and we know that doesn't work on AV. I've played with the DPS calc and there isn't a senario where DRK beats WAR.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

Right because capping attack is the end all be all. Esp against a job with a higher crit rate which more then negates the attack difference. (if the WAR 2hrs just chuck the att diff out the window) 6hit /sam with 34DA+set bonus (thats what I tp in) and opening with Sekka is going to crush out the extra attack.
The only way a DRK is beating a WAR in a zerg is with SE and we know that doesn't work on AV. I've played with the DPS calc and there isn't a senario where DRK beats WAR.

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Originally Posted by Jar

The DRK is meleeing 16.12% Faster and has a VERY significant lead with PDIF Infact unless you are 2 houring on WAR this difference is massive.

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Kinda Wish i could only quote..

Yeah and its the end all be all when i can overexadurate your attack and your still not capping

real war attack is only 1199.5 making pdif 1.848228043143297

1.848/2.2 = 0.84 so 16% less dmg with just pdif added to there already diminished attack speed doing to ... over 30% less damage now?

Well someone didn't read.

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Originally Posted by Jar

Kinda Wish i could only quote..

Yeah and its the end all be all when i can overexadurate your attack and your still not capping

real war attack is only 1199.5 making pdif 1.848228043143297

1.848/2.2 = 0.84 so 16% less dmg with just pdif added to there already diminished attack speed doing to ... over 30% less damage now?

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Right because capping attack is the end all be all. Esp against a job with a higher crit rate which more then negates the attack difference. (if the WAR 2hrs just chuck the att diff out the window) 6hit /sam with 34DA+set bonus (thats what I tp in) and opening with Sekka is going to crush out the extra attack.
The only way a DRK is beating a WAR in a zerg is with SE and we know that doesn't work on AV. I've played with the DPS calc and there isn't a senario where DRK beats WAR.


Maybe a second read will help you.

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Originally Posted by Taint2

Esp against a job with a higher crit rate which more then negates the attack difference.

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Guessing that what you wanted a reply on?


A Critical Hit is an attack that does more than the usual amount of damage to a monster.
When an attack scores a critical hit, a different animation is used instead of the normal hit animation.

The higher an attacker's DEX, the greater their Critical Hit Rate against an opponent is. The higher a defender's AGI, the less likely they are to have critical hits scored against them.

The minimum critical hit rate from DEX vs. AGI is 5%, the maximum is 20%. Equipment and merits that increase critical hit rate are added on top of this.

It is currently believed that critical rate caps out when DEX is 50 points higher than AGI, at least at level 75. Verification Needed

Critical Hit rate follows an exponential curve. Minor increases in DEX will not have a significant impact on critical hit rate (e.g. DEX+1 = +0.25 critical hit rate). Major increases in DEX increase the rate significantly, whereby DEX+1 ~= +1% critical hit rate.


i see Nothing in ther that would put you ahead of a drk...

I'm not really sure how to do all of that math and stuff, but I've done 3 AV's recently, that i won with both apocalypse and caladbolg vs. Ukons, verethragnas, etc. Same thing for einherjar. I don't see anything beating a good DRK outside of abyssea at this point in time in this game.