Ok...let me level with you here SE...

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Originally Posted by Soidisant

Well I'd arrange some sort of deal with the LS rather than going outside the LS unless I absolutely had to. Either buy it off the LS at discount cost if acquired through LS events. Or farm the sets up myself and then offer the choice of drops or gil to come along and help me as compensation for missing out on their daily Dyna.

Honestly, most would probably do it for free if it was just 1-2 relics. Although with how many relics we have in the LS, it's going to get pretty old, pretty fast for those without relics. That being said, if all they have to do is roll up to ADL, kill and then leave then they may be willing to do it for free/chance at drops even for quite a lot of relics.

That 40m is one that has cropped up since the announced trials. There was one for 30m earlier in the week too. I agree that they are more likely to rise in price than drop.

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I could see that and merc LSes doing it for 20 to 30 mil up front if you get the drop or not.

Also my bad I thought he had it from the start and they added a new item to PW. Still not enough reason to get people to kill it. If they are dead set on this they need to make it more attractive to the helpers if only by adding new gear and items to ADL and prep-pop NMs.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

When you spread the cost out over 5 years is it that hard to think it couldn't be done. Or how about the very fact that 5 or 6 years ago people might not have had the families or jobs to take up time they could give to FF11. It did not take a whole LS a year to finish one relic. You have no clue and are just as out of touch with the base as SE.

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With what base? The playerbase? I'm part of the playerbase you dimwit. I play the game, I do Dynamis and I did so twice a week for years in old Dynamis and I've witnessed several relics being built in the process, for friends and LS mates. No it's not hard to do if you spread the cost out over five years, but who has done that? Most people, even before Neodynamis, simply spammed Dynamis, sponsored runs or lead runs with their endgame shells for people to finish relics. The other option was to buy currency. Aside from buying or farming, there is no alternative.

What kind of arguments are you making? Jobs, families? Yes, that means less time to play. Which is still way more than enough to get this trial done. 10 Dynamis runs per relic. Is that really too much to ask? I know several relic holders, all of whom are looking forward to their 99 relic in a month or two. Sure, if you're in a badass and very active endgame LS with 30 relics, it may take up to a year (if they're very unlucky) to finish, and again I ask you, is that too much to ask for 30 finished relic weapons? That's not a year of hardcore non-stop gaming, but one year of two-hour long Dynamis runs that will yield 30 of the best weapons in the entire game. And you think that's not good enough?

Sure, I'd love if it was killshots. Hell, I think even 1 killshot is enough to proof that you're able to defeat him, and I definitely wouldn't mind a trial like that either. But the reality is that the currently proposed trial is far from unfair. If you're complaining about this you're just way too spoiled from Abyssea or Neodynamis.

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Originally Posted by Soidisant

Apoc was funded by people being stupid (i.e. I bought currency and resold it for more until I had enough to finish. So mostly done AFK)
Ragna was funded by 3 people pooling gil for like 3 weeks (all 3 people got Relics not just me, we just took turns)

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Don't get me wrong, that wasn't a jab at you. I used to have over 70M worth of currency, all procured through reselling in bazaars (I was working on a Bravura pre-Abyssea). But that also counts as money. Money and items (and services) are interchangeable, at varying rates. The money you made from reselling to buy more currency has made you stupidly rich (doesn't imply you're stupid, as I said, I was doing the exact same thing), which, in turn, allowed you to buy a relic. And going by what you said in the last two posts you don't seem to have a problem with buying anyway.

20 drops from ADL is not reasonable. 5 is not reasonable. Yet some people want to think that it is. Why is that? Because it's 5 and not 20? It wasn't unreasonable because it was 20. It was unreasonable because it was ADL. If you say 5 is reasonable then 20 is reasonable. Period.

The only way this trial is ever going to work out is A)add drops to ADL that people care about so it seems less of a bitch to do which can include multiple of the relic item, and or B)drop is added to the pools of all other Dynamis NMs with various drop rates to fit the NMs. That's how you get the majority of relic holders to LIKELY finish the trial, because it certainly will never happen with things as is. But if you want unlikely then any number of ADL drops or kills is perfect for the trial so that the players that do get past it can stand up there on the bow of the airship during mid flight and scream "I'm the king of the worrrrrld!" to impress the lv23 whm Mithra that's probably a manthra and an alternative character of an already existing veteran.

So you know 10 relic owners who have 17 people willing to slave away at their relics for little to no gain or are they going to pay the other 17 people. They damn sure not gioing together if they think they will have theirs in a month. Yes its is to much to ask for with a 10 year old game. FF11 is not aging as well as EQ/EQ2 those games were given meaningful upgrades and content expansion that FF11 has not been given. There is the looming fact that if FF14 pulls something out of it ashes then guess what FF11 will get even less content, if it goes down in a gaint ball of flames then FF11 with stop getting content while SE stops the bleeding. You also refuse to see SE is a company in trouble, from forces beyond its control to and not learning from mistakes of the past. I wonder which company they will merge with next to save thier selfs.

Arcon do u even have a R/M/E?

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Originally Posted by Vold

20 drops from ADL is not reasonable. 5 is not reasonable. Yet some people want to think that it is. Why is that? Because it's 5 and not 20? It wasn't unreasonable because it was 20. It was unreasonable because it was ADL. If you say 5 is reasonable then 20 is reasonable. Period.

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I think it's just a time:reward ratio for most.

If I farmed the pops, I could probably get people to come along and kill ADL 5 times without much issue. It would be far more difficult to get people to do it 20 times though.

Likewise, people would be far less likely to merc it if it required 20 items. There will be far more people willing to pay 150-200m than 600-800m. So Umbral Marrow price would either have to be reduced (meaning less people willing to merc it) or there would be far less buyers (which again means less people actively mercing kills).

Could the trial be easier or more convenient? Absolutely and I'm sure every Relic holder would prefer it be was.

However, 5 is more reasonable to some people than 20 because 5 seems doable to them whereas 20 was not. At 20, no way would I even attempt to do it. At 5 items, I'll probably attempt to do 1 of my Relics.

I would prefer it to drop off Regular Dynamis Lord. That way THE MAJORITY can get it.

Don't get me wrong, I would prefer it was far easier too. I'm not exactly thrilled at the prospect of spamming ADL's for the foreseeable future.

I'm just explaining why 20 is unreasonable to some people, whilst 5 seems reasonable.

Well the Community doesn't want ADL so lets not even talk about it. I want Dynamis Lord.

If it was Dynamis Lord it would need the item amount increasing. 5 DL's would be far too easy in comparison to Mythics/Empyreans.