Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Would be true, if not for the fact that one of the key arguments for raising the Abyssea entry requirement revolves around there being "Not enough players willing to exp outside Abyssea for people to party in normal zones". Either they're a minority, or that statement is false. It cannot be both.

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going by that logic is the same as trying to say:"people say they want to join a football team. Either they are a minority or that statement is false."

it holds little water and has no backing to it to make the statement not worth much.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

heres a challenge you kill something with gear swaps then i kill it without just say when same challenge to nattack

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if I can kill a Tiny Mandragora at level 5 and you can kill it at level 90, there is no difference between your abilities at level 90 and mine at level 5.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

going by that logic is the same as trying to say:"people say they want to join a football team. Either they are a minority or that statement is false."

it holds little water and has no backing to it to make the statement not worth much.

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If players who want to level outside Abyssea are not a minority, finding other people to exp with outside Abyssea will not be difficult. Understanding that, however, must be.

lmao Watching things going down on these forums is Really turning out to be fun!! hahaha

where a team of dumb players can wipe on a NM i can still survive and win without all that who ra and macroing in gear

Can't we at leastr agree to disagree, because this is getting us nowhere.
Probably will get locked like the last two threads did.

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Originally Posted by Krystal

going by that logic is the same as trying to say:"people say they want to join a football team. Either they are a minority or that statement is false."

it holds little water and has no backing to it to make the statement not worth much.

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My god.

If there aren't enough people to make a party outside of Abyssea because most people are in Abyssea this means that the people who are outside Abyssea trying to make a party are in the minority.

Logic.

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Originally Posted by Ezikiel

heres a challenge you kill something with gear swaps then i kill it without just say when same challenge to nattack you guys try to change this game into rocket surgery when its very simple hit them dont let them hit you

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I wonder, have you even tried to fight anything more difficult than seal NMs? Sure, you can get away with that. But gear swapping will let me kill extraordinarily faster than you and much more safer (and I won't need to dual box either).

Icestein, I think that's an important point being overlooked by a lot of the complaints about leeching.

Many of the leechers are LS mates/friends of the leader of either the alliance or individual parties, and thus usually have certain rules that apply to the leechers. Maybe they are more offended that they can't get into a party to leech because the leaders have restrictions?

When we started doing it, you could only leech if you were opening boxes--thus, once we hit 3 leeches, no more were allowed. Everyone had to ask beforehand, and we kept a list of people and had a priority--you had to wait your turn.

Now, we have several people who can cleave for us, and a few RDM's to buff them. So, we'll set a day to tag team the WAR and RDM roles, make a list of attendees, and make a day out of it. The new rule is if you want to leech, you HAVE to bring and USE 100 keys BEFORE you can go AFK. We hold a spot for the first 18 people who sign up for it, and only take new members when they leave (or get dropped). If you go AFK without opening keys, or otherwise making plans to do so when someone finishes their spot...then you get bumped. It's crazy when a new group comes in sometimes. 3 or 4 people racing to see who can burn their 100 keys first...heheh.

Raist

HOLY CRAP. 17 flames in the time it took me to write this post. You people need to chill before this thread gets locked too.

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Originally Posted by Icestein

I'm honestly surprised that people don't swap gear this late in to the game. There are next to no pieces of gear in the game which are the best for all situations; to maximize your efficiency you need to swap gear. The players that do so deal greater damage, evade more often, hit faster and are therefore superior to those who do not.

Not even that, but the main argument against it (Oh my god I can't target you) is easily avoidable. There's macros for that. <stpc>, if you are not using it then start.



There's is no question that they would defeat the enemy quicker, with more hp than you.

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you obviously never seen me solo