Nerf Beastmaster

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Originally Posted by Vae

You've been playing long enough to know that nothing they do has a legit reason. The only reason is "too many people used it" It's only a matter of time before another magic nerf too.

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I bet they do something like every 2 mnd will give 1 magic defense giving enemy's much higher magic defenses, but it also has the same effect on players making magic aoes less dangerous and bringing back melee, then the cycle repeats. melee>rng>pet>magic>melee>rng>pet>magic...

Can SE Dev's please - sincerely please - look at the random nature that this new limited-range JA nerf functions? Please?

When we're having to run around and 'hope' our JA's will work and it's so profoundly random - its maddening!

An adjustment needs to be made to allow us to be within 15 yalms of our pet, regardless of if the pet can "see" us or not, the JA's work.

I am no longer asking that they be restored to their original distance but right now the lack of consistent functionality is infuriating.

Dev's please go play BST, see that we have not been complaining without reason and fix the mistake, please.

I just came back to the game after a few months off and I am immediately leaving again. This bst nerf suuuuuuuuuucks!!!

It's a shame SE does not quite realize how profoundly they ruined the joy that it was to play BST.

It's a shame that you returned to a ruined job - I maintain my hope that SE will repair the damage - but for now it's just that, a hope.

Or how ridiculous it is to after the game has more or less ended tell us the way we've been playing since the job was released was wrong

I think the part that makes me mad is the excuse people are using to way they did this nerf. I was told it was for afk killing. If its afk killing then a distance nerf does nothing to change that. Also what is the point of being a bst if I have to fight on top of my pet lol?

I leveled bst back year and years ago. It was not an easy thing to level and you were all alone and pretty bored sometimes but you knew by leveling this job (which most people did not level back then) that you would have a slightly OP job as a reward. Same thing with Rangers back 11-12 years ago before their first nerf. They were easy as hell to level but you had to drop a LOT of gil on ammo and most people did not want to do that. After you had it leveled though it was a bit OP and you leveled fast. That imo is a reward for leveling jobs that not so many other people level.

Like Dasva said this is ridiculous to nerf something after the game is over lol, I have never been able to read SE and figure out what goes through their heads.

Hello? When did bst become a soloist job?? I've been playing since peeps where being referred to alakazahm not wiki or bwiki my best has been in my my since about a month after I flagged it....that was maybe 10 years now and has not nor will see light of day past lvl 9 I stopped playing best because charm kept leaving me 2 MoBs to kill I spent as much time coming back from the HP and rezoning as I did getting dead.....I have solod ALL my jobs since rdm was nurfed so long ago and I'm here to tell u I'd rather have a mushy whom solo than bst neday

Uh... BST has -always- been a soloist job up until recently. Also you really shouldn't speak for the job if it never made it past level 9. Just a thought, go back to the RDM thread where you claim you can't hit anything while RDM is at one of its peaks when it comes to melee right now, thanks to all the good melee gear available to it now.

Back on topic, I know I'm beating a dead horse here but I'm in full agreement with the fact that the nerf is ridiculous. The range should have been radial based on the mob (still forcing BST into melee but allowing it to not stand in front of every attack your pet should be tanking), or have a wider range to allow us to be on the sides/back to avoid the conal AoEs. They've done a pretty good job giving us hybrid gear (look at the new Arktoi, it's really good for hybrid play, or acc as a whole), and their direction does seem to be moving us to the front line, but they need to either go about it all the way by fixing the JA ranges to allow us to move into our more ideal position in frontline combat, or they need to revert everything back to where it was.

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Uh... BST has -always- been a soloist job up until recently. Also you really shouldn't speak for the job if it never made it past level 9. Just a thought, go back to the RDM thread where you claim you can't hit anything while RDM is at one of its peaks when it comes to melee right now, thanks to all the good melee gear available to it now.

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I'm inclined to think elqplau is a genuine troll. Surely, nobody's typing could be so horrendous if it weren't meant to be satirical. Over there, she is saying RDM is no good at meleeing and is using Blurred sword as evidence. It just can't be serious.

If any job is a terrible meleer, it's BST. It has no innate abilities that allow it to generate TP Faster. It's only direct damage buffing ability is Killer Instinct, which is very situational (honestly, I would love to see the day it gets more general application, but that would require melee to be brought back into the game...and for BST to be meleeing right beside them). It gains no form of Subtle Blow, to mitigate the TP it is giving to the target for its pitiful damage. One of its best weapons right now is not an iLevel weapon at all, but an Abyssea-era drop.

If their goal was always for BSTs to melee alongside their pets, shouldn't the BST's melee be AT LEAST as good as a melee RDMs?

So now they boost physical dmg for players to more resemble jug pet pdif allowing them to do even more dmg now but without all the failings of having to use a pet and master. Joy

If I'm being forced to play Beastmaster this way, can you give us something to cope? Better job abilities, better TP growth, higher shield skill? ...This is horrible. We have fencer but no shield skill and no decent shields. We have Poor pet ability range, and no defensive/offensive capability at all (for the player).

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Originally Posted by Gwydion

If I'm being forced to play Beastmaster this way, can you give us something to cope? Better job abilities, better TP growth, higher shield skill? ...This is horrible. We have fencer but no shield skill and no decent shields. We have Poor pet ability range, and no defensive/offensive capability at all (for the player).

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I came back to see how things were because I read some boards that said BST is ok, and I wanted to do the last missions. It sure didn't feel ok. I was fighting with my pet, and all I saw was not in range messages. It's just not fun for me chasing my pet around trying to get skills to go off. I wish I hadn't given SE any more money, but I've un-subbed again now. Hopefully, I've learned my lesson and can let it go.

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Originally Posted by kylani

I came back to see how things were because I read some boards that said BST is ok, and I wanted to do the last missions. It sure didn't feel ok. I was fighting with my pet, and all I saw was not in range messages. It's just not fun for me chasing my pet around trying to get skills to go off. I wish I hadn't given SE any more money, but I've un-subbed again now. Hopefully, I've learned my lesson and can let it go.

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Meanwhile, my linkshell killed all three of the Reisenjima T3s using just Beastmasters as our DDs tonight, several times.

So does everyone else that plays BST seriously. This didn't do anything to BSTs except cause a minor inconvience. It wasn't the best method to kill the bandwagon, they should have capped the ready timer to a point where you wouldn't require the Abyssea axe. That way it lowers BST dps and allows them to use a real axe in the offhand for whatever they want.

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Originally Posted by VahnEris

Meanwhile, my linkshell killed all three of the Reisenjima T3s using just Beastmasters as our DDs tonight, several times.

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That doesn't mean that job abilities not firing isn't broken. A group of bsts throwing pets at mobs has always been strong. I just wanted to finish the missions up. It's sad to see the job work like this. I'm not doing something tricky or special. I'm just expecting my abilities to work. It's like being a WHM and not knowing if cure will work or not. You can still play it, but you can't play it like you should.

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Originally Posted by Angemon

So does everyone else that plays BST seriously. This didn't do anything to BSTs except cause a minor inconvience. It wasn't the best method to kill the bandwagon, they should have capped the ready timer to a point where you wouldn't require the Abyssea axe. That way it lowers BST dps and allows them to use a real axe in the offhand for whatever they want.

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I'd have preferred that to making the abilities unreliable.

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Originally Posted by VahnEris

Meanwhile, my linkshell killed all three of the Reisenjima T3s using just Beastmasters as our DDs tonight, several times.

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Oh wow cool story...... Yea I kill NM's with my beast too that isn't the point. The point is the range is broken from firing off macros/job abilities to chasing your pet when it gets looked at wrong by some other mob than the one you are fighting.

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Originally Posted by BlackHalo714

Oh wow cool story...... Yea I kill NM's with my beast too that isn't the point. The point is the range is broken from firing off macros/job abilities to chasing your pet when it gets looked at wrong by some other mob than the one you are fighting.

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Don't be hating because you are not replicating.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Don't be hating because you are not replicating.

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Lol wth are you talking about? Replicating? Carry on with your rhymes. So your claiming I'm hating because someone can kill Nm's just like everyone else? Or was I supposed to be impressed because it was some T3's? Who cares. Point is range is still broken.

I mean sure you can use bsts as DDs still... you can also use any other melee too. All it shows is you can square peg most things if you try hard enough. Heck pretty sure I could kill those T3s with just pups for DDs

The whole point of bst was not having to stand in range for physical dmg for the niches where that was really useful similar to other pet jobs or rng

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Originally Posted by BlackHalo714

Lol wth are you talking about? Replicating? Carry on with your rhymes. So your claiming I'm hating because someone can kill Nm's just like everyone else? Or was I supposed to be impressed because it was some T3's? Who cares. Point is range is still broken.

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Yes, thank you for summing up my point, and then proving it by continuing to hate on people.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Yes, thank you for summing up my point, and then proving it by continuing to hate on people.

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Meh don't care man. Keep on replicating because you think your 476 posts before this your right on everything. The post I commented on was nothing to do with you anyway. She made a comment about beast killing T3's... I made a comment about that wasn't the point beast can kill just about anything. It was about range being broken. But I know you want to be the superhero behind the keyboard and chime in your two cents. Hate that I guess.

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Originally Posted by BlackHalo714

Meh don't care man. Keep on replicating because you think your 476 posts before this your right on everything. The post I commented on was nothing to do with you anyway. She made a comment about beast killing T3's... I made a comment about that wasn't the point beast can kill just about anything. It was about range being broken. But I know you want to be the superhero behind the keyboard and chime in your two cents. Hate that I guess.

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I didn't realize that my two cents is ruining this perfectly nice echo chamber you guys have going. Here let me fix it "Wah! they ruined my favorite job forever!!! I'm going to unsubscribe and then resubscribe so I can unsubscribe again!" Is that better?

And I can't help that I'm right so often:

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Originally Posted by Ulth

I don't know why everyone is focusing on bst's damage. SE really isn't even trying to change that. They are just making it less safe than before. Which I honestly think is a poor idea. It's not going to fix the problems that anyone has on either side of the argument and just upset things further. People on the pro bst side are going to be annoyed by having to run in and out all the time, or when they get hit by an aoe, and people against bst are still going to be annoyed as bst will still be able to clear the same content. To me the range of pet commands is a lose lose adjustment. Bst still aren't going to run in and hit things with their axes. If SE wants that to happen they will have to make it the more appealing option over 10 second ready timers.

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Here we are after the adjustment. Bst are still doing t3s, all the while complaining about it.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

I didn't realize that my two cents is ruining this perfectly nice echo chamber you guys have going. Here let me fix it "Wah! they ruined my favorite job forever!!! I'm going to unsubscribe and then resubscribe so I can unsubscribe again!" Is that better?

And I can't help that I'm right so often:

Here we are after the adjustment. Bst are still doing t3s, all the while complaining about it.

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Slow golf clap....

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Originally Posted by BlackHalo714

Slow golf clap....

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Takes a bow

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Originally Posted by VahnEris

Meanwhile, my linkshell killed all three of the Reisenjima T3s using just Beastmasters as our DDs tonight, several times.

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Reisenjima T3 are really tough NM. I'm going to assume you had a Geo, Cor, or Rdm and whm for healing to help out because their no way a BST can clear T3 in Reisenjima without the use of run wild and unleash. One of the 3 Nm are super tough without a Geo, Cor, or Rdm depending on party set up. Now i wonder if the BST can actually kill it without the use or run wild and unleash? hmmm... I doubt it. :/

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Originally Posted by dasva

I mean sure you can use bsts as DDs still... you can also use any other melee too. All it shows is you can square peg most things if you try hard enough. Heck pretty sure I could kill those T3s with just pups for DDs

The whole point of bst was not having to stand in range for physical dmg for the niches where that was really useful similar to other pet jobs or rng

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That's the way Taru Pup is the way to go now. =)

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Originally Posted by Ataraxia

That's the way Taru Pup is the way to go now. =)

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Of course. Galka pup is just silly

And you all wonder why square doesn't care the slightest what goes on in the NA forums.

SE please fix Beastmaster. The JA range is random, inconsistent, annoying and insulting to your loyal paying BST community. This is not a damage or danger issue because people cant beat nm's and blame xyz job because of their gimpness, its a broken job ability-issue and it needs addressed instead of constantly ignored.

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Originally Posted by Vae

And you all wonder why square doesn't care the slightest what goes on in the NA forums.

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Yeah I probably wouldn't want to sift thru all the trolling, insults and job hate to see people actually talking about the problems either

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Originally Posted by Jile

SE please fix Beastmaster. The JA range is random, inconsistent, annoying and insulting to your loyal paying BST community. This is not a damage or danger issue because people cant beat nm's and blame xyz job because of their gimpness, its a broken job ability-issue and it needs addressed instead of constantly ignored.

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It's not random. Have you never tried to pull something with a ranged attack right after you finish moving? It will say you moved and interrupted your aim. Why does it do this? because while it looks like you stopped on your local machine, on the server you are still moving to the place you are at. The same thing is causing your "random" out of range messages for commands. Are they doing something about this? Yeah they are dropping console support. PS2s are old and can't send or receive as fast as a modern computer can. Hopefully this means less latency lag and faster loading zones and inventory.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

It's not random. Have you never tried to pull something with a ranged attack right after you finish moving? It will say you moved and interrupted your aim. Why does it do this? because while it looks like you stopped on your local machine, on the server you are still moving to the place you are at. The same thing is causing your "random" out of range messages for commands. Are they doing something about this? Yeah they are dropping console support. PS2s are old and can't send or receive as fast as a modern computer can. Hopefully this means less latency lag and faster loading zones and inventory.

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Just because they're dropping PS2 support, which only means they can scale-down their dev team doing basic updates on xi, does not mean they're going to make any other adjustments on how their servers function. As for lag time, all users on all servers combined is what a single server used to have on it - it doesn't get much lower demand resource wise than it is.. lol, granted losing ps2/xbox users will lower server utilization even more but it's not going to be something we're going to notice on the user end.

The job abilities function at very random locations during a fight - while standing beside your pet, there are times JA's will work and other's they will not, this is a glitchy and poorly redesigned problem that SE has refused to address.

When we have to stand on our pet's head and still not be sure if our JA's are going to fire - it's time to admit they screwed up and make changes.

Part of this variable is the movement of the mob we're fighting, some is our pet shifting location during a fight and then there is the elephant in the closet, the diameter of the mob we're fighting also shortens our leash making the range JA's function a constant moving variable, not consistent by any means, it's highly variable.

Others have said similar before and I'm still hoping they will give BST a JA similar to avatar's favor, letting me have 20-yalms from my pet as the window, lowering my pet's DMG output as the cost of that favor.... so I can hit a mob and have my JA's work again.

Ask any BST main, this problem is so bad, so horrible that many BST main's have changed to PUP or retired. Are we high on the DMG end of things? Sure, as long as you don't look at SCH or BLM's destroying our DMG, sure... lol.. but I digress, this JA problem needs addressed ASAP.

SE community Dev, (since Grekumah retired I guess I'm only asking Camate), please tell me something is coming?

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Originally Posted by Ulth

It's not random. Have you never tried to pull something with a ranged attack right after you finish moving? It will say you moved and interrupted your aim. Why does it do this? because while it looks like you stopped on your local machine, on the server you are still moving to the place you are at. The same thing is causing your "random" out of range messages for commands. Are they doing something about this? Yeah they are dropping console support. PS2s are old and can't send or receive as fast as a modern computer can. Hopefully this means less latency lag and faster loading zones and inventory.

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Yeah the problem is you are using variable size pets which give variable sized ranges and that also move around on their own sometimes. Combine with the distance being way too short and stuff does mess up quite a bit and not always predictably. Seriously I can stand between my pet and the mob it's attacking and it not go off. Other times it might

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Originally Posted by dasva

Yeah the problem is you are using variable size pets which give variable sized ranges and that also move around on their own sometimes. Combine with the distance being way too short and stuff does mess up quite a bit and not always predictably. Seriously I can stand between my pet and the mob it's attacking and it not go off. Other times it might

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Are you standing within 7 yalms of your pet because that's all that matters. Seriously I've seen plenty of people using bst since the update and they have no problem getting their readys to work. Did the new goblin unity NM and used a bst with the rabbit to kill all the mines. They didn't have this problem. If they did we would have gotten blown up, but we didn't.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Are you standing within 7 yalms of your pet because that's all that matters. Seriously I've seen plenty of people using bst since the update and they have no problem getting their readys to work. Did the new goblin unity NM and used a bst with the rabbit to kill all the mines. They didn't have this problem. If they did we would have gotten blown up, but we didn't.

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My pet was in melee range so of course I was. Some pets it goes down to a little over 5 because stupid thing judges weirdly based on pet sizes. I've also talked to many bst who say they have plenty of problems...

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Are you standing within 7 yalms of your pet because that's all that matters. Seriously I've seen plenty of people using bst since the update and they have no problem getting their readys to work. Did the new goblin unity NM and used a bst with the rabbit to kill all the mines. They didn't have this problem. If they did we would have gotten blown up, but we didn't.

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Sounds like you do not play BST. You might want to try it out some (fighting a wide range of different sized monsters) before making a statement like that. Distance is not all that matters. The size of the monste, the size of the pet, and the masters positioning also factor in the equation in ways which are both enigmatic and inconsistent. With large monsters, that 7 yalm range is much closer to 4 or 5. The seven yalm range also fails quite often if you have the monster in between you and your pet (ie., monster facing pet and master attacking from behind) even though master and pet are 7 yalms apart.

And please stop with "we used a bst for x" posts and using them to suggest that the job doesn't have serious problems. BST pets are still capable of strong attacks (when the ready moves actually go off) and several players are so dedicated to the job that they still play it and learn to adapt to the extremely buggy and inaccurate issues with ja range. Just because BST can do things like DD T3 NMs or AoE kill mines on a UNM, does not mean that issues with ja range do not exist. Stop being obtuse, play the job yourself and see or shut up and listen to the people who do.

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Originally Posted by Lonnan

Sounds like you do not play BST. You might want to try it out some (fighting a wide range of different sized monsters) before making a statement like that. Distance is not all that matters. The size of the monste, the size of the pet, and the masters positioning also factor in the equation in ways which are both enigmatic and inconsistent. With large monsters, that 7 yalm range is much closer to 4 or 5. The seven yalm range also fails quite often if you have the monster in between you and your pet (ie., monster facing pet and master attacking from behind) even though master and pet are 7 yalms apart.

And please stop with "we used a bst for x" posts and using them to suggest that the job doesn't have serious problems. BST pets are still capable of strong attacks (when the ready moves actually go off) and several players are so dedicated to the job that they still play it and learn to adapt to the extremely buggy and inaccurate issues with ja range. Just because BST can do things like DD T3 NMs or AoE kill mines on a UNM, does not mean that issues with ja range do not exist. Stop being obtuse, play the job yourself and see or shut up and listen to the people who do.

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This guy speaks truth.
Although I love BST and will continue to work with it, it does get aggravating when I run in to be "out of range" when I'm almost right next to the large monster.

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Originally Posted by Lonnan

Sounds like you do not play BST. You might want to try it out some (fighting a wide range of different sized monsters) before making a statement like that. Distance is not all that matters. The size of the monste, the size of the pet, and the masters positioning also factor in the equation in ways which are both enigmatic and inconsistent. With large monsters, that 7 yalm range is much closer to 4 or 5. The seven yalm range also fails quite often if you have the monster in between you and your pet (ie., monster facing pet and master attacking from behind) even though master and pet are 7 yalms apart.

And please stop with "we used a bst for x" posts and using them to suggest that the job doesn't have serious problems. BST pets are still capable of strong attacks (when the ready moves actually go off) and several players are so dedicated to the job that they still play it and learn to adapt to the extremely buggy and inaccurate issues with ja range. Just because BST can do things like DD T3 NMs or AoE kill mines on a UNM, does not mean that issues with ja range do not exist. Stop being obtuse, play the job yourself and see or shut up and listen to the people who do.

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Seems to me the general consensus of bsts outside the OF is that the range nerf is at most a inconvenience and are glad they got off with such a minor nerf. Some actually see it as an improvement as it killed off the bandwagon by adding some difficulty to the job. Frankly I think it's insane how you can't seem to figure out how to stand close to your pet. It's like those people in informercials flailing around while they fail at simple tasks. If your upset about having to stand close to your pet just say that. Don't lie about it being impossible to get ready moves to work consistently.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Seems to me the general consensus of bsts outside the OF is that the range nerf is at most a inconvenience and are glad they got off with such a minor nerf. Some actually see it as an improvement as it killed off the bandwagon by adding some difficulty to the job. Frankly I think it's insane how you can't seem to figure out how to stand close to your pet. It's like those people in informercials flailing around while they fail at simple tasks. If your upset about having to stand close to your pet just say that. Don't lie about it being impossible to get ready moves to work consistently.

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Seems to me you are completely just making things up. Most bsts I talk to are the opposite. I'm in a pet ls that just wont take the job anymore unless they have nothing else or we know it they can safely avoid AoEs. No matter who is on whatever job guess which job is most often eating dirt? Yep that's right bst everytime. Most have switched to pup or smn or a good pet support job.

And then making stuff up about it not being inconsistent when it clearly is. Can't count the times it just doesn't go off. I probably die because a ready move refuses to go off after I pull a bunch of mobs while I'm right there meleeing the one I'm trying to use moves on about once every 2-3 cp sessions and I only do them for around 15-30 minute sessions and then about every other session I die because I get animation locked by mobs attack me and my pet goes that ever so tiny distance away from me that doesn't allow me to use ready and I literally just can't get closer before I die. Seriously when is the last time you played the job? Because you are showing some major misconceptions on how things work

But whatever dude keep on trolling and making stuff up and random insults. No one is buying them especially since you demonstrated you don't even know how the distance works in the first place