[Suggestion] Consolidating Equip Macros

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

You show me the ultimate sets of gear for any job that can not be improved in any way and many players can get their hands on, wont happen. Even if people could pin it down to the absolute best possible sets for a job it wouldn't matter because I am 99% sure some gear is out of reach to most players like a Toci's or something with an absurdly low drop rate. The goal is to get them, and everyone has their own path, that path is different for alot of people.

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You've hit the nail on the head. With windower the destination is the same, but the path is different. Without windower the destination AND the path are different.

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Originally Posted by Jackstin

You've hit the nail on the head. With windower the destination is the same, but the path is different. Without windower the destination AND the path are different.

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Without Windower, we do exactly what Spank said...

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

slowly develop chronic stress injuries in my hands and wrists as I hit six or more macros to perform every action

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Windower is not the cause of full set macros, it simply makes them easier to perform and less taxing on our hands.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Without Windower, we do exactly what Spank said...



Windower is not the cause of full set macros, it simply makes them easier to perform and less taxing on our hands.

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Does anyone really do that though. You technically can, but FF11 frequently requires fast reactions so I can't see it being advantageous.

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Originally Posted by Jackstin

Does anyone really do that though.

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Yes, people do.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Yes, people do.

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That does look incredibly painful.

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Originally Posted by Jackstin

Does anyone really do that though. You technically can, but FF11 frequently requires fast reactions so I can't see it being advantageous.

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It's what my best friend does when she plays on PS2. It's what I did for a time when the thing wouldn't do things to the other things and make stuff do stuff to the thing with the thing, maybe.

Obviously it's not something I would recommend for a Stun or Sudden Lunge macro, but it's closer to ideal than the alternative for most things because it allows a non-horrid idle set for a mage and better weaponskill sets for a melee.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Been there.
Done that.

Still waiting on the T-shirt...

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Here you go!

http://westernrifleshooters.files.wo...2z7bdv_400.jpg

The slogan simultaneously establishes you as a threatening super-villain and warns others about succumbing to the same condition.

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Originally Posted by Jackstin

Does anyone really do that though. You technically can, but FF11 frequently requires fast reactions so I can't see it being advantageous.

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Yes people do. Should look up Avesta sometime on youtube.

Thats the same style macros i employ as well, and yes its terrible but it gets the job done, its senseless that we cant just accomplish the swap with a single action vice 3x or more depending on JA's used inbetween ect.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

You really have no idea how big a deal, do you?

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you don't get what I said then.. if a person who don't gear swap can do something just as well as another person who does gear swap... what does that say about the non gear swaper?

@ nala you don't get what troll means.... ~.~ you just did something "trollish" which is insulting a person saying "white knight" like a 4 year old... are you infact 4 years old? if not.. why act like it?

as for everyone insulting everyone., STOP its not helping your suggestion. I really hope SE CS forum ppl craxk down on the insults you guys fling every two seconds. I don't use insults. I just point out how u act and just as be polite. I try to say my peace.

If anyone where played an MUD.. you can't streamline ,acros like you guys think you can. And the more lines you put the more automated it does get. I'm wondering why ppl are complaining about playing a game and pressing buttons. Most of games outside ff were button mashers.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

you don't get what I said then.. if a person who don't gear swap can do something just as well as another person who does gear swap... what does that say about the non gear swaper?

@ nala you don't get what troll means.... ~.~ you just did something "trollish" which is insulting a person saying "white knight" like a 4 year old... are you infact 4 years old? if not.. why act like it?

as for everyone insulting everyone., STOP its not helping your suggestion. I really hope SE CS forum ppl craxk down on the insults you guys fling every two seconds. I don't use insults. I just point out how u act and just as be polite. I try to say my peace.

If anyone where played an MUD.. you can't streamline ,acros like you guys think you can. And the more lines you put the more automated it does get. I'm wondering why ppl are complaining about playing a game and pressing buttons. Most of games outside ff were button mashers.

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Stop posting, you are not not welcome to any player-base with cognitive reasoning.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

you don't get what I said then.. if a person who don't gear swap can do something just as well as another person who does gear swap... what does that say about the non gear swaper?

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Originally Posted by Zerich

I am not telling anyone to "cheat" or break their ToS.
I am pointing out that crying about unfair advantages, because someone plays on a console, is nothing but being stubborn.

And Rosa, no one cares about your claims on soloing IT mobs and NMs in Abyssea, most WHMs can do the same.

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You find me the WHM who is able to solo IT mobs and NMs in abyssea without gear swaps.

Just to examine, and correct by the way...

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Originally Posted by Rosina

if a person who don't gear swap can do something just as well as another person who does gear swap...

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This is not an if, the person swapping gear WILL do better than the person not. There are 0 instances where you can have perfect gear, that is good for everything, meaning this person not gear swapping, can not ever do just as well as someone gear swapping.

I honestly don't care if you do or do not gear swap, stop saying its not more effective, it is common sense, and it is pure math. You cant argue this, you cant fight this, it is 100%... common... fact!

Lastly...

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what does that say about the non gear swaper?

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It says they are competing with someone who doesn't actually understand how to gear swap properly.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

you don't get what I said then.. if a person who don't gear swap can do something just as well as another person who does gear swap... what does that say about the non gear swaper?

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This comes down to skill; if two players are equally skilled then the one with better gear will be most effective. This is a fact supported by the numbers and formulas that calculate damage in this game. You cannot argue this.

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@ nala you don't get what troll means.... ~.~ you just did something "trollish" which is insulting a person saying "white knight" like a 4 year old... are you infact 4 years old? if not.. why act like it?

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I'm not going to get into an pithy arguments on these boards, but I must say that online your presence is determined by grammar structure and spelling. We cannot hear your tone of voice and cannot read your facial expressions. This will all be assumed in how you present yourself with what's available. In which case, you may need to take a closer look at which one of you appears to be closer to the age of 4.

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as for everyone insulting everyone., STOP its not helping your suggestion. I really hope SE CS forum ppl craxk down on the insults you guys fling every two seconds. I don't use insults. I just point out how u act and just as be polite. I try to say my peace.

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Getting a GM response because half of the thread is a flame war doesn't really help, but neither does constantly jumping back to the cause of flames.

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If anyone where played an MUD.. you can't streamline ,acros like you guys think you can. And the more lines you put the more automated it does get. I'm wondering why ppl are complaining about playing a game and pressing buttons. Most of games outside ff were button mashers.

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I don't really see why MUDs are relevant. They're an archaic form of adventure game.

Also people are complaining about "button mashing" because these are long, stretched out, slow, distanced, separated buttons that need to be pressed in sequence to perform a simple task.
Tapping X to punch =/= repetitively holding R then tapping Left and pressing X, then Left and X again, then holding L and tapping Right then X, Right then X to punch. Then to kick you must hold R and Up together with a load delay, and repeat the drawn out process of arrows and X.

This is the problem I have on blu, nearly every slot I wear will be changed out when I go from TP to Spell set to WS set, to nuke set, etc. This doesn't just happen on blu, it happens on thf...rdm...war...drk....pretty much any job I play will eventually have it to where 3+ macros need to be hit just for gear alone all because we are limited to 6 slots per macro that can't have simultaneous equips in one line. Even back when I first started at the November release in NA, I noticed very quickly as a rdm that swapping gear would be the bane of my existence throughout the game.

So for 10 years we have patiently dealt with these limitations hoping that one day SE would work in a fix to it such as consolidating commands to one line or expanding the total lines per macro. When SE announced the ability to add <wait> to the same line as another command a fuzzy feeling deep inside were felt, but years later we still have the same issue as we have always had......hitting too many macros to do simple functions. I have various spells set with some equip lines in them to try and deal with these limitations...but I also know that because of this limitation I can't reach full potential without resorting to using a 3rd part program to squeeze in every piece of equipment in less time.

This isn't about being an elitist, it is about being as efficient at a job you enjoy to play as possible, and current macro structure severely limits this. I'm not asking for macros to call up other macros to create an endless loop, I'm asking that developers seriously consider the ability to create item sets that are separate from macros. You access these via the macro sub-menu and create an item set. As the name implies, item set will only allow the use of creating commands that equip gear. Then you add a command line into macros that calls up said item set (as previously mentioned /itemset "name"). This way a macro will look something like this:

/itemset "bluws"
/ws "Chant du cygne" <t> <wait>
/itemset "bluspell"
/equip head "name"
/ja "Chain Affinity" <me>
/ma "Amorphic Spikes" <t>

Instead of:

Macro 1:
/equip head "name"
/equip neck "name"
/equip body "name"
/equip legs "name"
/equip hands "name"
/equip feet "name"

macro 2
/equip ear1 "name"
/equip ear2 "name"
/equip ring1 "name"
/equip ring2 "name"
/equip back "name"
/equip waist "name"

macro 3
/equip ammo "name"
/ws "Chant du Cygne" <t> <wait>
/equip head "name"
/ja "Chain Affinity" <me>
/equip body "name"
/equip neck "name"


macro 4
/equip legs "name"
/equip back "name"
/equip feet "name"
/equip ammo "name"
/equip hands "name"
/equip ring1 "name"

macro 5
/equip ring2 "name"
/equip ear1 "name"
/equip ear2 "name"
/ma "Amorphic spikes" <t>


Then you hit another 3~4 macros to get back in your tp/haste set.

What I reiterate from a prior post stands as a perfect example of why people are complaining about macro as they are or resort to the use of a third party program to swap gear more efficiently. The macro system is significantly flawed and could use an overhaul so that players can utilize the 3-8 gear swap macros for other things such as additional item sets, ws, spells, job abilities and so forth. Currently, if I chose to use everything the way I wanted to I could easily fill up 2, almost 3, macro palette as the current macro system works. Thing is, that is a much more daunting issue when hitting macros is the need to change to a different palette to get to the other macros you need to hit due to the amount you have to hit.


Lastly, people argue valid points to drive the point home to the opposing side, or in this case the opposing side and developer, so that they can see just how problematic it is to those who try to be as efficient at their jobs as possible, but can't due to very obvious limitations. Opposing side can argue to their hearts content that "well they said it isn't happening so stop asking" or "swapping is pointless and unneeded" (seriously?) to their hearts content, but we who deal with this flaw day in and day out will argue it while submitting as much feedback, and ideas, as possible to hopefully bring it to a favorable conclusion.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

you don't get what I said then.. if a person who don't gear swap can do something just as well as another person who does gear swap... what does that say about the non gear swaper?

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I'm going to refer you to the video posted earlier:

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Yes, people do.

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Go ahead, find me a Red Mage who can fulltime a single gearset and solo Azdaja without using Cruor buffs or Atmas.

That is the magnitude of performance difference between swapping gear and full-timing a single set.

Just gonna say it now. I don't believe for one second that anyone on the PC is using 6 macros for one gear switch, and you aren't kidding anyone by saying that you do.

Also the argument about not gear swapping is simply that you are not min/maxing your character. While you may be successful sometimes in doing something like soloing a hard encounter, for the 20 times you, for example, had to Paralyze the target, your gear swapping would give you a 90% success rate on landing the spell, whereas not swapping would give you a 20% success rate (numbers pulled from the other hole by the way).

You can go the whole game without ever switching out gear, but you are making things pointlessly difficult for you, and frustrating for anyone you play with, and also the core mechanic of any MMo is obtaining better gear to go onto better fights, to get better gear, ad infinitum. If you have no intention of getting better gear for better efficiency, the game becomes without any point. If you enjoy it, then fine, enjoy it, but don't get fussy when people you group with call you out on it and kick you as a result.

As an ex-endgame shell leader, I will always give people time and resources to learn this stuff, but if after tirelessly trying to get them to improve, they still continually gimp themselves out of either lazyness or principle, they will become some other shells problem, and not mine.

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

Just gonna say it now. I don't believe for one second that anyone on the PC is using 6 macros for one gear switch, and you aren't kidding anyone by saying that you do.

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So sorry you have a hard time believing that on blu I do use upwards of 6 macros within the space of only 15 seconds just to do 3 menial tasks, but I sincerely do go to this extent when swapping gear. 3 to get into WS and use WS, another 3 to get into Spell set and using chain affinity+spell then another 3 to get back into tp set and this isn't counting the use of a totally different WS set for Requiscate let alone when using nukes on blu that typically use different base stats each spell (dex/mab, vit/mab, mnd/mab). On thf I use 3 to get into WS set and I have 3 different WS sets depending on WS I use (Exent, Mercy, Evis).

Why do I do this when I can simply just opt out for a 3rd party tool and do it all within 1 macro? I also use the PS2 version on occasion meaning it is better to stay in practice with the clusterduck of duckery macro system since I might find myself on ps2 version the next time I log in. This isn't just a fix for pc users, it is a fix suggestion for ps2, 360, and pc versions. If you fail to see the importance of making it easier no matter what version you play than I think you've missed the entire point of why people want it in the first place.

Running out of popcorn here and going to get some refill. Before I go though, think about this for a min:

SE IS going to be playing favorites to those ppl who is using the PC over Xbox/PS2 in the very soon to be released UI mod such that those playing on the PC will have some UI Personalization/Customization [requires the use of MOUSE]. So some of you guys might want to start chanting 'Unfair' at SE.

Now, let me refill my popcorn and you all can continue to agrue/beat-up on another over how each plays or doesn't play which absolutely has zero impact to each of you individually at all. If anyone who is an 'end game' shell holder and are willing to accept gimps that are unwilling to learn/change, then more/less power to you, it is your choice for your LS and no one else - please feel free to define these terms of 'end game' and 'gimp' to your own personal satisfaction and no need to explain to me/others what you choices are.

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

Running out of popcorn here and going to get some refill. Before I go though, think about this for a min:

SE IS going to be playing favorites to those ppl who is using the PC over Xbox/PS2 in the very soon to be released UI mod such that those playing on the PC will have some UI Personalization/Customization [requires the use of MOUSE]. So some of you guys might want to start chanting 'Unfair' at SE.

Now, let me refill my popcorn and you all can continue to agrue/beat-up on another over how each plays or doesn't play which absolutely has zero impact to each of you individually at all. If anyone who is an 'end game' shell holder and are willing to accept gimps that are unwilling to learn/change, then more/less power to you, it is your choice for your LS and no one else - please feel free to define these terms of 'end game' and 'gimp' to your own personal satisfaction and no need to explain to me/others what you choices are.

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Um, no offence but the entire point of a discussion forum is discussion. You know? Offering varying and opposing points to each others debates and reasoning based on presented issues and evicence.

Are you simple?

My definition of discussion is an open exchange of ideas between 2 or more parties with each sides having their base idea but willing to listen and ACCEPTED the other side's pov. Accept does not necessarily means you have to gives up YOUR own position but it is nevertheless accepted.

Show me in this thread where a Discussion is happening?

I like simple things. But it's fun watching ppl on here. [pop corn reloaded and ready for entertainment, GO!].

Man has a point neither SE or Rosina are yielding any time soon, hopefully the UI changes will prompt a few console only types to migrate over to PC its not like we need some overly high end system to play 11.

As to my age rosa, i am capable of realizing when i am wrong and take the advice of others. Choosing to completely ignore a well known and widely used game mechanic all the while professing that it is not intended/needed or that you can be just as proficient without utilizing such mechanic is beyond stubborn. Further more when too many people get on your case about your a-typical poor grammar and logic you pull out new and BS health ailments.

Furthermore you get increasingly defensive when your fellow peers (as in people who really have the disorders you claim) get on your case for hiding behind such facades. So who's not acting their age here? I'm not always right about things and i'm willing to admit it when i am proven wrong however, this isn't the first time you've fought this battle and for some reason you have started it anew in practically every thread you participate.

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

Um, no offence but the entire point of a discussion forum is discussion. You know? Offering varying and opposing points to each others debates and reasoning based on presented issues and evicence.

Are you simple?

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That is his opinion.

Are you simple?

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Originally Posted by Nala

Man has a point neither SE or Rosina are yielding any time soon, hopefully the UI changes will prompt a few console only types to migrate over to PC its not like we need some overly high end system to play 11.

As to my age rosa, i am capable of realizing when i am wrong and take the advice of others. Choosing to completely ignore a well known and widely used game mechanic all the while professing that it is not intended/needed or that you can be just as proficient without utilizing such mechanic is beyond stubborn. Further more when too many people get on your case about your a-typical poor grammar and logic you pull out new and BS health ailments.

Furthermore you get increasingly defensive when your fellow peers (as in people who really have the disorders you claim) get on your case for hiding behind such facades. So who's not acting their age here? I'm not always right about things and i'm willing to admit it when i am proven wrong however, this isn't the first time you've fought this battle and for some reason you have started it anew in practically every thread you participate.

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Nala, she's a troll, just have fun with it.

Heh, don't worry i am she has proven that she can not comprehend as such she will continue her crusade, in the mean time:

With the upcoming UI perhaps could the dev team outline the limits to which user generated plugins may stretch? Using existing plugins as an example, most people know they exist pretending they don't is silly and would best give us an idea of how awesome or disappointing your vision on the new UI is.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

you guys need to stop being trolls and start acting a bit more decently. Just because people do not agree with you, doesn't make them trolls. Just because people play differently then you, don't mean they suck.

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Have you ever heard anything along the lines of “do not feed the troll”? ^^;

Point being, if you feel people are insulting and/or trolling you, it's usually the most easy way out to simply ignore them. You can always report them, and be done with it. Trying to fight them in any way just doesn't work. At least that's what I have seen during well over 15 if not 10 years. It's the internet; it's the norm that such users exist.

Responding to them usually only makes things worse, in other words, gives fuel to the fire.
“Trolls” tend to feed upon the frustration of their targets, and actually enjoy seeing one upset more than anything. So that being said, don't let them win, don't let them get to you! You'll have a lot more fun that way (unless, of course, you actually enjoy all that yourself as well).

Just my thoughts, of course!
(And no, I'm not saying anyone in particular here is a troll, or doing anything wrong. This is just my few gil on the subject at hand).


As for the subject that used to be on that hand, it will definitely be interesting to see (thought I am fully prepared to be disappointed) what they really meant with “The window scheme and GUI scripts for FFXI will be released so users can design their own interface features.”, and it is equally unfortunate to see that they are so adamant about keeping improving the macros out of the development scheme.

We can only hope for the best (or a beast), and keep up the candle!

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Go ahead, find me a Red Mage who can fulltime a single gearset and solo Azdaja without using Cruor buffs or Atmas.

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Well, maybe if they time their 2hr juuuuuust right...

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Go ahead, find me a Red Mage who can fulltime a single gearset and solo Azdaja without using Cruor buffs or Atmas.

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I could do that with crimson pants and 1 piece of refresh gear, just kite it and keep bio on it, wouldnt be hard at all, just take a long time.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I could do that with crimson pants and 1 piece of refresh gear, just kite it and keep bio on it, wouldnt be hard at all, just take a long time.

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This is true.

But I think the point is a gear swapping RDM would out preform the none gear swap per in leap's and bound's.

It's actually to bad for those who aren't into it, it's actually a lot more gratifying after and hour of messing with macro's and gear swap's to go out and output 10 to 24 % more damage. But hey if your having fun doing it your way by all means.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

But I think the point is a gear swapping RDM would out preform the none gear swap per in leap's and bound's.

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http://gifsoup.com/view7/2880285/har...rp-fight-o.gif

So I think that by only having six lines in a macro we have created three groups:

a) people too lazy to push 3 buttons for one action.

b) people who go that extra mile to swap all the gear.

c) people who copy an xml sheet and put their gear into it.


I feel like ther's a good chance that most of group B would prefer to use method C if SE put it into the game legitimately.

Group A doesn't seem to make use of what they have available now, so I don;t really think that it should matter what they think about adding more.

On a side note: I think I have earned that T-shirt through many years of soloing sky on Red Mage and I would like to know where to pick it up :P

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Originally Posted by 0nionKn1ght

http://gifsoup.com/view7/2880285/har...rp-fight-o.gif

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lol that would be great if there wasn't a stun effect every time you swap out gear in pvp.

you know I said this before... no one I partied with, did abyssea events with, did seal hunts with, hunted hnm for ever said or made comments about my lack of gear swaping in this game. Only people who made comments are you guys. That kinda shpuld tell you something. People who zactually seen me play vs ppl who never seen me play.

Maybe I like the extra risk... Also Zelda is a massive button masher as is any TES game. ffxiv was/is button mashy also with how quickly the skills are used. As for any fighting game your doing completely effed up button comes at a fast rate w/o much of a break. Also you have jobs like data entry, coding, medical coding jobs you having to type fast for hours on end. So this stress injury excuse doesn't hold much water.. I've been gaming for 21 years. since after high school i can play any game button masher or non button masher for 12-20 hours. maybe only breaking for nessity and I don't have any stress injuries, or any sort of issues.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

you know I said this before... no one I partied with, did abyssea events with, did seal hunts with, hunted hnm for ever said or made comments about my lack of gear swaping in this game. Only people who made comments are you guys. That kinda shpuld tell you something. People who zactually seen me play vs ppl who never seen me play.

Maybe I like the extra risk... Also Zelda is a massive button masher as is any TES game. ffxiv was/is button mashy also with how quickly the skills are used. As for any fighting game your doing completely effed up button comes at a fast rate w/o much of a break. Also you have jobs like data entry, coding, medical coding jobs you having to type fast for hours on end. So this stress injury excuse doesn't hold much water.. I've been gaming for 21 years. since after high school i can play any game button masher or non button masher for 12-20 hours. maybe only breaking for nessity and I don't have any stress injuries, or any sort of issues.

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Just please stop posting argumentative comments...

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Originally Posted by Rosina

you know I said this before... no one I partied with, did abyssea events with, did seal hunts with, hunted hnm for ever said or made comments about my lack of gear swaping in this game. Only people who made comments are you guys. That kinda shpuld tell you something.

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It tells me that the people you play with are either too polite to let you know you are bad at the game, or that they are just as bad at the game as you are.

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Maybe I like the extra risk... Also Zelda is a massive button masher as is any TES game. ffxiv was/is button mashy also with how quickly the skills are used. As for any fighting game your doing completely effed up button comes at a fast rate w/o much of a break. Also you have jobs like data entry, coding, medical coding jobs you having to type fast for hours on end. So this stress injury excuse doesn't hold much water.. I've been gaming for 21 years. since after high school i can play any game button masher or non button masher for 12-20 hours. maybe only breaking for nessity and I don't have any stress injuries, or any sort of issues.

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Shut up. Shut up right now.
Playing Red Mage gave me a repetitive stress injury that forced me to change my entire computer setup. I had to get new ergonomic keyboards, switched to using trackballs and had to sleep in wrist splints for months to get it all under control. I was literally unable to play the game my wrists and hands hurt so badly.

You absolutely do not get to walk in here and tell me that the repetitive motions of using macros do not induce repetitive stress injuries when I have experienced this firsthand as a direct result of playing FFXI.

You don't know what you're talking about, so shut up and walk away.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Shut up right now Rosina.

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Fighting with Rosina only leads to more fighting with Rosina, you are fighting a battle that will never be won because no matter what you say they keep responding. I have learned over the last week that about the only way you will get Rosina to shut up, is to shut up yourself. By responding the way you are now you simply provoke a response from the other side causing an argument that is still going and has been. This will not stop till one side stops fighting, and Rosina is fighting on alot of threads at the same time with no sign of quitting, your best hope at victory is to not even fight, without you fighting, the battle dies on its own, and you are left in peace.

Most of what she says is just infuriating, but when she brushes aside RSIs it gets personal. I was effectively locked out of FFXI for several months dealing with repetitive stress injuries brought on by the game and I still have to take steps to keep it under control even now. I'm not going to let that slide uncontested.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

Most of what she says is just infuriating, but when she brushes aside RSIs it gets personal. I was effectively locked out of FFXI for several months dealing with repetitive stress injuries brought on by the game and I still have to take steps to keep it under control even now. I'm not going to let that slide uncontested.

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I understand why it makes you angry, but so long as you fight her about it she is just going to keep up with it. I refuse to call anyone a troll, goes against me as I am because I find it to be an overused stupid insult, but it seems like by most definitions thats what Rosina does. Wanting to speak up against someone being ignorant, and acting like this is good but at this point it is just feeding the flames that are burning down threads over and over again. If you want to continue then so be it, but it will do nothing but make this flame continue so far as it seems to me.

i see many broken records in these threads. who cares how she plays? let her play how she plays. if it truly bothers u if ur even on her server just dont do anything she is involved in. this is a game and games are designed to be fun and if its fun for her to do it how she likes, screw it.

i feel like when rosina is involved the situation is generally blown out of proportion by the other side (usually due to personal feelings of dislike of her), and her side ends up being her defending herself. it almost always goes way off topic.

i wish more people in this world had a "who cares" attitude. this is the internet ladies and gentlemens, in the end she doesnt care what u think and u dont care what she thinks, so it will be a never ending battle as demon says.

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Originally Posted by Trumpy

i see many broken records in these threads. who cares how she plays? let her play how she plays. if it truly bothers u if ur even on her server just dont do anything she is involved in. this is a game and games are designed to be fun and if its fun for her to do it how she likes, screw it.

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You're just as wrong about everything you just said as she is. No one cares how she plays. Seriously, no one. At all. Not one bit. Why is that so hard to comprehend?

Our problem with her is of an entirely different nature. It's that she boasts her playstyle and tries to justify it (which she doesn't even need to) by lying and telling us "it doesn't make that much of a difference". That's a complete and outright fabrication. She is the one who felt it was necessary to protect her playstyle. And in doing so, she starts to spew bullshit wherever she can. And that's what annoys us.

I know some people who don't change gear at all and many who do it within the confines of the game's limitations. I have no problem whatsoever with them and I like them more than many people who are top-notch and swap gear like crazy. It has nothing at all to do with that. She already thinks we're attacking her playstyle, don't feed further into her delusions as well.

I must have missed this boasting. i see her mention her play style and 50 people jump down her throat with the same arguments i read in 50 other threads before. and any repeats of said play style is simple defense of herself. i think someone else has brought up the gear swap thing in nearly every thread ive seen rosina post in no matter the topic of said thread. and if its not that its backhanded comments, that are utterly uncalled for. It reminds me of bullies and im truly sick of reading it. Im not for or against her play style either, just against the constant bickering (which rarely is started by her).

most of you do attack her play style tho (if she doesnt need to defend it, it doesnt matter, But you know she will defend it anyway as she has in the past so you know what is comin when she is attacked.). So she doesnt gear swap, she prefers it that way, then there is 4 post sayin she is against it when she cares not if you or anyone else does it. (which is the start of blowing it out of proportion) theres a difference between against it and just not doin it. (note i gear swap) Has she said exactly that not gear swapping is exactly as effiicient as swappin? i think ive read her say swappin was in fact more efficient here and there. What i have read her say is not swappin can still get the job done.

its just like when people astral burned. i didnt care if people did it but i sure as hell wasnt goin to do it myself. even to this day people from my LS say i was against it. i wasnt, it just wasnt for me.

My point is if u dont care why continue on and on and on and on. If i was wrong (and u truly dont care) you wouldnt constantly enter this same tired debate. People just need to get out of each others business and just worry bout themselves.

In the end this thread isnt bout the pros and cons of gear swapping but more along the lines of a request for being able to swap more than 6 lines worth of gear and the retardedness of havin to hit 3 macros to change every slot of gear for one action (and 3 more to go back to your default gear). please stay on target and leave tiddly wink debate on the worth of gearswappin out.

I think suggestion 2 would be best and most applicable.

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Originally Posted by Trumpy

I must have missed this boasting. i see her mention her play style and 50 people jump down her throat with the same arguments i read in 50 other threads before. and any repeats of said play style is simple defense of herself. i think someone else has brought up the gear swap thing in nearly every thread ive seen rosina post in no matter the topic of said thread. and if its not that its backhanded comments, that are utterly uncalled for. It reminds me of bullies and im truly sick of reading it. Im not for or against her play style either, just against the constant bickering (which rarely is started by her).

most of you do attack her play style tho (if she doesnt need to defend it, it doesnt matter, But you know she will defend it anyway as she has in the past so you know what is comin when she is attacked.). So she doesnt gear swap, she prefers it that way, then there is 4 post sayin she is against it when she cares not if you or anyone else does it. (which is the start of blowing it out of proportion) theres a difference between against it and just not doin it. (note i gear swap) Has she said exactly that not gear swapping is exactly as effiicient as swappin? i think ive read her say swappin was in fact more efficient here and there. What i have read her say is not swappin can still get the job done.

its just like when people astral burned. i didnt care if people did it but i sure as hell wasnt goin to do it myself. even to this day people from my LS say i was against it. i wasnt, it just wasnt for me.

My point is if u dont care why continue on and on and on and on. If i was wrong (and u truly dont care) you wouldnt constantly enter this same tired debate. People just need to get out of each others business and just worry bout themselves.

In the end this thread isnt bout the pros and cons of gear swapping but more along the lines of a request for being able to swap more than 6 lines worth of gear and the retardedness of havin to hit 3 macros to change every slot of gear for one action (and 3 more to go back to your default gear). please stay on target and leave tiddly wink debate on the worth of gearswappin out.

I think suggestion 2 would be best and most applicable.

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She doesn't only defend it, she also says that it is the way the game is meant to be played, and is in fact the best way for it to be played. Also, gear swapping=cheating.