SE really?! really 99 cap boss this hard?!?!

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

At the very least I'd like to see SE create a Psychoanima and Hysteroanima type item so you can actually weaken the guy and still melee him.

Also, this forum has an ignore feature. I suggest you use it on Finuve, who is being needlessly antagonistic.

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But its so much fun

Why is Evan shooting down everyone who has cleared the BCNM? Maybe you are getting bad luck but at least for my group, it was not all that difficult. But there's no reason to act so bitter towards other players. I don't have the best gear, most of my gear consists of +1 and +2 empyrean and a few things I macro in and I'm working on it. But you seem to just have this attitude about people and maybe that's why your not getting invites instead of your actual jobs.

Back when I first started playing 04 or 05? I was in school and changed my characters more times than I count count so I only recently got 75 just before they raised cap. BLU was 72 and BLM 75 when it did. The rest of my 11 jobs were abyss burned but you can ask anyone from my server and none of them are "bad" persay and none of them are underskilled; and none of them wear a sliver of pink, perle or teal.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

So, you're part of the problem, "Pink set = no," so basically "Level 99 should only be allowed for those with end game linkshells that whore out gear for people." Yep, this game really is doomed.

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Pink perle and teal gear is definitely a no, its level 77 gear, i mean wtf did u fight maat wearing a brigandine

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Originally Posted by Evandis

So, you're part of the problem, "Pink set = no," so basically "Level 99 should only be allowed for those with end game linkshells that whore out gear for people." Yep, this game really is doomed.

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Try Maat rdm just with the full AF1 only. Will you tell me that only rdm with great gears can have it leveled at 70+?

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Originally Posted by Finuve

Pink perle and teal gear is definitely a no, its level 77 gear, i mean wtf did u fight maat wearing a brigandine

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As opposed to what since in SEs brilliancy they made most high level gear R/EX that requires you either already have good gear to solo to obtain it, or multiple people top help. The stuff that isn't R/EX either sucks or is ridiculously expensive. Don't worry people like you will get your way, eventually the servers will all be merged in to one to make sure 900 people are on at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

As opposed to what since in SEs brilliancy they made most high level gear R/EX that requires you either already have good gear to solo to obtain it, or multiple people top help. The stuff that isn't R/EX either sucks or is ridiculously expensive. Don't worry people like you will get your way, eventually the servers will all be merged in to one to make sure 900 people are on at the same time.

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At any given time there are 5+ ppl shouting to farm af+1 papers why dont u join one, make some friends and get gear that doesnt suck, this is an mmo stop being a loner

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Originally Posted by Lotto

Try Maat rdm just with the full AF1 only. Will you tell me that only rdm with great gears can have it leveled at 70+?

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Actually I was fine with them nerfing RDM Maat. Consdering how stupidly easy some Maat fights were compared to RDM, it didn't make sense.

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Originally Posted by Finuve

At any given time there are 5+ ppl shouting to farm af+1 papers why dont u join one, make some friends and get gear that doesnt suck, this is an mmo stop being a loner

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I have yet to see any fights for PLD dropping paper mobs, all the seals I have, I basically have to solo on my Thief.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

I have yet to see any fights for PLD dropping paper mobs, all the seals I have, I basically have to solo on my Thief.

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Then build one urself, and make friends while ur doing it, maybe then u can get in a linkshell with ppl that are also friendly and helpful

Why don't you switch to Bismarck so I can help you out so you don't have to be the debbie downer of the forum? Or will you not accept help just because almost all of my jobs are abyss burned but decent?

I am in a linkshell.

For now, I get seals faster with my THF and my wife's RDM duoing stuff.

Obviously they're not doing anything for you though, move them both to Bismarck. I promise you I'll get your jobs some cool stuff. I have PLD Body +1 and my Paladin is 13. I just collected them for the fun of it.

Imma stop being an ass for a second and be serious, af+1 is very easy and very fun to make, if u are that far behind focus on that first, its also a great way to find more permanent ppl to run with, community is why this game made it as far as it did, embrace that amd ur gear and fun will go up

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Originally Posted by Komori

Why don't you switch to Bismarck so I can help you out so you don't have to be the debbie downer of the forum? Or will you not accept help just because almost all of my jobs are abyss burned but decent?

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Hes not being a debbie downer Evandis is just getting trolled really hard lol

Either way, if things aren't working for you in one spot, maybe try another. And he shouldn't let people get him riled up like that, it's the internet.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I dunno. I tried this setup twice and failed. I've got Brown Belt, full Tantra +2 (almost; Crown is only +1). Rajas Ring, Spiral Ring, Brutal Earring, Moonshade Earring, Afflictors, Calcitrant Stole, and Atheling Mantle. Maybe it's not OMG super duper, but it's still a solid set.

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Did your SMN use Inferno howl? or were they using something else?

3 MNKs Inferno Howled and Perfect defense. use no WS until HF wears. You really cant lose, Inferno howl adds 30 dmg enfire to every attack.

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Originally Posted by Zeo

People wanted an epic fight for the 99 cap and now see how they back-peddle. Can't please all the people all the time I guess.

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Personally, my problem with the fight exactly that it's not epic- it is, in a microcosm, pretty much everything wrong with what SE's concept of creativity and challenge in this game comes down to- trying to do things in a "traditional" matter makes it so that it's more or less a crap shoot, and then the majority of people take the path of least resistance, and people whine and complain about how they can't get into groups because they only leveled THF.

For something like a level cap, this really shouldn't be the case.

You know what would have been epic? Having stuff that actually requires you to know how to do interesting things with your job. Have the SCH fight involve self-skillchaining and self-bursting with magic before you can beat him, or have the NIN fight make him weaken you halfway through the battle so the only way out is to Mijin Gakure and have reraise up. And keep in mind, these are just examples off the top of my head, too...they had months to think about the 95=>99 cap, and they went with another boring "let's make another NM with huge damage that people will just PD zerg through".

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I see this as more as a understaffed team working on the content. Its much easier to design a BC fight around a party rather then making unique AI for each job. Just shows you what kind of content we can exspect from now on.

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I'll buy that they didn't do anything amazing because they're understaffed, but that's an excuse nonetheless. A valid one, sure. I just think it's hilarious that people think this somehow constitutes good game design only because we've been fed filler quests the last 4 times, so anything different seemed like they put an amazing amount of effort into it.

I feel like this is early CoP all over again. A lot of the same "It was easy you suck" attitudes were present back then. I have faith that SE will back down and make this easier, though I'm surprised they made it so hard to begin with. It's such a drastic reversal from the direction they were taking with Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I feel like this is early CoP all over again. A lot of the same "It was easy you suck" attitudes were present back then. I have faith that SE will back down and make this easier, though I'm surprised they made it so hard to begin with. It's such a drastic reversal from the direction they were taking with Abyssea.

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Except this time it really is easy and people complaining about it probably do suck.

Do a /sea all. There are hundreds of people who got this done. I promise you they're not all elitists, elites, or even half-good players.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Except this time it really is easy and people complaining about it probably do suck.

Do a /sea all. There are hundreds of people who got this done. I promise you they're not all elitists, elites, or even half-good players.

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I swear I already had you ignore listed for being an antagonistic jerk. Guess not.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I swear I already had you ignore listed for being an antagonistic jerk. Guess not.

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I have to tell you, just reading this thread, it did sound like people were just being dicks at first, but after having done the fight, I can honestly say that if you have a whm (maybe even a red mage) and a competent pal, this fight is cake.

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

I swear I already had you ignore listed for being an antagonistic jerk. Guess not.

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We all know he Monk + PD burned it anyway.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I have to tell you, just reading this thread, it did sound like people were just being dicks at first, but after having done the fight, I can honestly say that if you have a whm (maybe even a red mage) and a competent pal, this fight is cake.

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But what if you don't? My first try had a PLD, and he went down like a ton of bricks after 2 back to back weapon skills.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

We all know he Monk + PD burned it anyway.

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Like I said before, I've beaten it multiple times for multiple friends on multiple jobs - including my PLD.

Instead of pissing and moaning like a 12 year old girl getting her first period about the fight being too hard, maybe take 5 minutes to sit down and wonder what you could be doing better and go beat the damn thing already.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

I am in a linkshell.

For now, I get seals faster with my THF and my wife's RDM duoing stuff.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Please drink some bleach.

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The most shocking revelation is that a sourpuss like you is married.

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Originally Posted by detlef

The most shocking revelation is that a sourpuss like you is married.

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Actually, it's more shocking that some of you are married, since you have no compassion for your fellow man and just accuse them all of sucking, because they haven't beaten this fight.

This BCNM is BS for a limit break quest, and it's a crap shoot, unless you have 1 of 4 jobs out of the 20 total. Period.

Oh...and I am saying this even after I have beaten it.

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Originally Posted by detlef

The most shocking revelation is that a sourpuss like you is married.

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There's only a certain level of "serious" I can take someone who registered on these forums for the sole purpose of bitching about a genkai. Pretty decent troll though, given how much this thread explodes every time he posts.

Zarchery, my best advice since you have a MNK, is actually to MNK burn it. I know you tried already, but basically we went in 4 x MNK (most of us wearing the pink gear that supposedly is a no-no) with a DNC and a SMN with Alexander. PD + all 4 MNKs 2 houred right at the beginning and spammed multi-hit weapon skills. It literally was dead in 40 seconds, no deaths. The longest part was buffing up with Ifrit, Garuda and Alexander.

That being said, I really hope they tone this BCNM down, it's just a limit break quest.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

I am in a linkshell.

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With who just you and your wife? If there are more has anyone in your LS won the fight? Are they helping you?

ithink this fight is alot harder then it needed to be, the problem is you need Certain set up to win.. and thats not fair.. then when everyone has it cleared in a week others left be hind will be screwed because people dont help.

I will be helping everyone I can, and happen to be on Ragnarok.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Actually, it's more shocking that some of you are married, since you have no compassion for your fellow man and just accuse them all of sucking, because they haven't beaten this fight.

This BCNM is BS for a limit break quest, and it's a crap shoot, unless you have 1 of 4 jobs out of the 20 total. Period.

Oh...and I am saying this even after I have beaten it.

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I've helped many people in my linkshell through the fight. I've had way too many bad experiences with shout groups to volunteer, so that's where my compassion ends. The best I can do is keep posting in this thread every time I beat it with a different setup.

Seriously though, I've never seen the rarab tail's effect wear off so I have no idea what it's like.

24 pages of post, I'm sure someone mentioned this but incase someone didn't. A BST SOLOED THAT FIGHT! He used 60 Dark Mulsums. I went 1/1 in that fight. 3bst 3whm, all bst had 15 Dark Mulsums before we went in. I used 13, but i think my pet had hate half the fight. One of the whm was a guys mule we let come cause someone that joined our party originally didn't have the quest done.

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Originally Posted by ApocalypseNow

24 pages of post, I'm sure someone mentioned this but incase someone didn't. A BST SOLOED THAT FIGHT! He used 60 Dark Mulsums. I went 1/1 in that fight. 3bst 3whm, all bst had 15 Dark Mulsums before we went in. I used 13, but i think my pet had hate half the fight. One of the whm was a guys mule we let come cause someone that joined our party originally didn't have the quest done.

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bst soloed it on the test server with epic-ness in 14+ mins so se reduced the time to 10 mins >.>

12 pages (i have 20 posts per page set) of whining? really? come on, this fight isn't THAT hard. It's not "easy," but what the hell is wrong with a good old fashioned challenge? If you think and consider all the abilities and spells of everyone in your party, you can find a way to deal with what the NM does. Then there's the rarab tails.

Consider taking advantage of things like Sentinel's Scherzo and Titan's Earthen Armor. Both of these can help avoid you getting destroyed by one or two weaponskills. at 100 fists, invincible, and use a rarab tail when it wears. There are ways to deal with everything he does.

If you lose, get back up, grow some balls, and get back in the fight and win. Anyone who is biatching about this fight has clearly never fought Maat as RDM when the cap first hit 75.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

12 pages (i have 20 posts per page set) of whining? really? come on, this fight isn't THAT hard. It's not "easy," but what the hell is wrong with a good old fashioned challenge? If you think and consider all the abilities and spells of everyone in your party, you can find a way to deal with what the NM does. Then there's the rarab tails.

Consider taking advantage of things like Sentinel's Scherzo and Titan's Earthen Armor. Both of these can help avoid you getting destroyed by one or two weaponskills. at 100 fists, invincible, and use a rarab tail when it wears. There are ways to deal with everything he does.

If you lose, get back up, grow some balls, and get back in the fight and win. Anyone who is biatching about this fight has clearly never fought Maat as RDM when the cap first hit 75.

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if this is your idea of a challenge then your standards are pretty low, all you have with this is an overpowered, under thought up boss, I wanted a challenge, this is not a challenge, nor is it epic like some people seem to think, as for it being easy, if that were the case then it would be solo able with difficulty, but thus far I have not heard of anyone soloing it in the 10 minute time limit

thanks SE, truly, this fight is almost as much of a joke as the LBs after Maat were, it isn't fun, its not really a challenge, the challenge is finding the right help for it, please reconsider giving us a solo fight that is actually a real challenge

~gets off soapbox~

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

12 pages (i have 20 posts per page set) of whining? really? come on, this fight isn't THAT hard. It's not "easy," but what the hell is wrong with a good old fashioned challenge? If you think and consider all the abilities and spells of everyone in your party, you can find a way to deal with what the NM does. Then there's the rarab tails.

Consider taking advantage of things like Sentinel's Scherzo and Titan's Earthen Armor. Both of these can help avoid you getting destroyed by one or two weaponskills. at 100 fists, invincible, and use a rarab tail when it wears. There are ways to deal with everything he does.

If you lose, get back up, grow some balls, and get back in the fight and win. Anyone who is biatching about this fight has clearly never fought Maat as RDM when the cap first hit 75.

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We live in the microwave age of instant gratification. Of course people are going to wince at the slightest inkling of a challenge.

1/3 on this personally but to be fair one of our guys was 3-boxing.

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Originally Posted by wildsprite

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if this is your idea of a challenge then your standards are pretty low, all you have with this is an overpowered, under thought up boss, I wanted a challenge, this is not a challenge, nor is it epic like some people seem to think, as for it being easy, if that were the case then it would be solo able with difficulty, but thus far I have not heard of anyone soloing it in the 10 minute time limit

thanks SE, truly, this fight is almost as much of a joke as the LBs after Maat were, it isn't fun, its not really a challenge, the challenge is finding the right help for it, please reconsider giving us a solo fight that is actually a real challenge

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It's not a challenge.

It's just not "Hey give me 5 kindred crests and play janken with me prz".

It's a nice medium. Of course people are going to lose once or twice. FFXI has never, ever, eveeeeerrrrr in a million years been a solo friendly game. Not even for a second. Sorry. You are not judged solely on your worth alone, but on the worth of the peers around you. If you are a gem among coal, you will turn black, ashen, and dull.

Truly great players inspire those around them to greatness. Don't blame the weak link for "making you lose", as others in this thread have tried to do. Instead, make that link stronger.

For all the self-absorbed victims in this thread, I see very few people actually communicating with other posters on their server and teaming up for this.

Straw men, straw men, everywhere!

I'll just simplify my point thusly: There's lots and lots of group-related battles all over the damn game, ranging from laughably easy to challenging. I was really hoping they'd give us one last hurrah for the finish line for 99, but they pretty much phone it in with a pretty uninspired BF.

Oh well.

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if this is your idea of a challenge then your standards are pretty low

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It's not, but I'm being generous to the people that are having a hard time.

I failed my first try, only because the "tank" ran in and instantly got raped by some weaponskill the taru did before I could give him the buff that would help avoid something like that happening. The second time we won easily, when people were patient enough to allow us to prepare properly.

It is a challenge to the extent that for the average person, it is more difficult than whatever the average person was probably used to- but not by a whole lot. If people just buckle down and actually cooperate, then it's no problem.

I don't know why you and certain other people equate "challenge" and "hardest thing ever", though. This is far from the easiest BC fight in the game. By no means "hard," but if it's hard enough to stop stupid people, then it has a very slight bit of difficulty to it.