The test server is more fun than the real game.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

go away. double madrigals + sole sushi+1 + focus is giving you ~75% hit rate only on the crab. Stop lying. Now some of then dont have high evasion, ill give you that.

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Focus........?
Why would I sub MNK to WAR exactly? WAR/SAM or GTFO.

i think they are saying on monk they only had 75% hit rate but still thats really REALLY hard to see the acc so low. The tonberry and the Vamp are the only 2 ive fought that had retarded evasion.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

When are finally going to provide numbers ?

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Why don't you provide numbers, or anything of value, you NEVER do, just scream for others to do it, when you're the one claiming BS.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

i think they are saying on monk they only had 75% hit rate but still thats really REALLY hard to see the acc so low. The tonberry and the Vamp are the only 2 ive fought that had retarded evasion.

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Which is kinda funny since I was talking about WAR, and they're calling me a liar cause their MNK sucks.

back to the monk gear thing ,
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...s-and-Formulas

assume no other DA / TA gear

with 5/5 25% *ive or take * for and extra 1 kick with +45dmg

vs 3/5 + g mask / Usu 19% + 0 dmg

vs 4/5 + Gmask 22* +45 dmg .15? haste from cap

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Focus........?
Why would I sub MNK to WAR exactly? WAR/SAM or GTFO.

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face ... palm.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Which is kinda funny since I was talking about WAR, and they're calling me a liar cause their MNK sucks.

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So you are basically claiming that WAR has naturally ~150 more accuracy than a monk. The dex bonus from 2handed weapons will give you 30 at best. Your a liar.

For some reason you keep missing the 4haste on GMask.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

So you are basically claiming that WAR has naturally ~150 more accuracy than a monk. The dex bonus from 2handed weapons will give you 30 at best. Your a liar.

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My MNK loses 25 accuracy to my WAR during TP phase due to DEX. My MNK gains 30 accuracy due to Focus or can maintain 25/30 accuracy at all times if timers are separated, but for the sake of fuck lets just assume all buffs are up.

Advantage during TP phase: MNK (523 accuracy) to WAR (508 accuracy)

For a WAR or MNK to parse 75% accuracy (with buffs up) the mob would need to have roughly 680-700 evasion.

Since we know monster stat progression mimics our own, what you're insinuating is either one of two fallacies:

1. VW mobs gain Evasion Bonus XXXV

2. VW mobs are level 150

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Originally Posted by Rearden

For some reason you keep missing the 4haste on GMask.

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Nobody missed the 4 haste.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

My MNK loses 25 accuracy to my WAR during TP phase due to DEX. My MNK gains 30 accuracy due to Focus or can maintain 25/30 accuracy at all times if timers are separated, but for the sake of fuck lets just assume all buffs are up.

Advantage during TP phase: MNK (523 accuracy) to WAR (508 accuracy)

For a WAR or MNK to parse 75% accuracy (with buffs up) the mob would need to have roughly 680-700 evasion.

Since we know monster stat progression mimics our own, what you're insinuating is either one of two fallacies:

1. VW mobs gain Evasion Bonus XXXV

2. VW mobs are level 150

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I think you are the only FFXI player that did not notice VWNMs being much higher than players and having a much higher evasion than the typical endgame mob (+6-7 levels until now).

The test server is like playing on a _ _ _ _ _ _ _ server.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

How the **** does "converts 14% of damage taken to tp" suck

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I'll give you that this piece actually looks interesting ( forgot about it). But I don't have jobs using it so I cannot comment further on what one has to give up in order to get this effect [ keeping in mind that this effct is proportinal to the target's attack speed, not your own stats). The two other bodies are really underwhelming. Im hoping for more drops off VW, I stoped working on clears after I saw the data mined.

The body is only good for PLD. Your tp gain is proportional to the mob attck rate and damage. The TP gain from a standard melee body will obviously be stonger. You are therefore bound to macro it on a TP move. Then you have to find a reason to bring a pld.

edit : and now you check the PLD AF3 body, you try to find a reason to use this body and can't lol.

Your natural acc no buffs or food on MNK is actually gonna be around 475, while mine in my acc set is 520 on (mithra) WAR, and all I give up is 3% DA, .5% haste, 7 STR and 2 attack. I could stack a lot more acc if I tried, but this enough for most of Voidwatch. (this is not counting hasso, aggressor, DEX from marches, food, etc~)

And Gchan, since you want to imply SAM sub is somehow inferior to something else on WAR, why don't you elaborate more, and provide proof, since that's what you always ask of everyone else.

EDIT: Current best PDT body is 6%, who cares about TP converted from damage, that's the new best PDT body for every job other then PLD that can equip it.

EDIT 2: You'd also be a fool to not wear it while cleaving or cataing~

Reason no one does voidwatch like they 'should' is because it's a horrible reward system. It has decent stuff, but quite honestly, compared to what Abyssea offered, it's no secret why VW is done by only a select few.

Thus why the 95 Emp trials will no doubt require 100-180 VW II items.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Reason no one does voidwatch like they 'should' is because it's a horrible reward system. It has decent stuff, but quite honestly, compared to what Abyssea offered, it's no secret why VW is done by only a select few.

Thus why the 95 Emp trials will no doubt require 100-180 VW II items.

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you know what i love about this post ... the fact dat mining has already found the next empy path takes 1500 of an item no ones found yet.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The body is only good for PLD. Your tp gain is proportional to the mob attck rate and damage. The TP gain from a standard melee body will obviously be stonger. You are therefore bound to macro it on a TP move. Then you have to find a reason to bring a pld.

edit : and now you check the PLD AF3 body, you try to find a reason to use this body and can't lol.

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You might literally be retarded

Mitigates damage taken based on enmity

Low Enmity:Aprox. -2.4% Damage Taken. Reduction is active even when not on the hate list.
High Enmity:Aprox. -10.2% Damage Taken

id rather have the 8% and 14 % tp feed 100% of the time then 2-10% when i have high hate

damage taken includes non physical damage.

This body is not for full time I thought it was obvious. You 20 acc attack HP MP. It's best to be macroed during a physical TP move. At this point you lose 2% pdt and get nice TPs. Here is the problem. Either you use the TP to do a great WS damage, in which case you should ask why you are on pld, or do crap ws damage, in which case you should ask what it actually increases.

and if im taking Magic dmg i have a already capped mdt set.... MDT is a easy thing to cap on any job.

or you then lean that plds ws dmg has always been low but hate is hate and every bit helps.

just like PDT. DT is lot limited to magic and physical.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

You might literally be retarded

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

My WAR actually has capped ACC on everything in Voidwatch using rajas ring, without aggressor, acc food, or giving up all that much in gear. With the only exception being the Vampire~ Maybe if you actually did voidwatch or bothered to learn about the game, you'd know more about it and not toss out blanket statements like "No 2 handed DD has capped acc ever."

As far as drops go.... Do you use Rancor Collar or are you gimp? Or are you going to try and say it's not the best necklace for every job while TPing, and almost always the best WS necklace for any DD using a WS with a chance to crit? Or do you want to just admit the overall best necklace for most jobs in the game comes from voidwatch? There's other very, very good items from voidwatch too, you're trying to cover for yourself saying it's all bad because you don't have any friends or an LS to do it with.

People don't do voidwatch because they are bad players. You constantly trying to justify the fact that you don't do it is kind of getting old. Back at 75 cap, how many people actually did Tiamat, Khim, DI, Einherjar, etc? Not very many. Why is it so surprising to you that only a few people do voidwatch? This is how endgame FFXI content has always been. Only the easy content gets done by most people. Like abyssea right now, or dynamis/limbus/salvage before the cap was raised.

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I'm a bad player because I don't do Voidwatch?

You might not be a top tier player, at least.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

You might not be a top tier player, at least.

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Actually i'm an inexperienced one as far as old end game anyway. Almost two years on ffx1 now. I earned my first level 75 job as level cap increase and Abyssea were coming in. I did not really have an opportunity to do most of old end game it seemed obsolete I did solo what I could and static if I found an opportunity.

It is probably correct that I can't find a ls to do Voidwatch. Every nice one I find breaks up due to infighting most over issues going back to before my time.

The reason I even asked the question is to wonder if "top tier" folks even wonder or care how posting statements like that sound to newer folks. Inexperience does not make one a bad player just a developing one. I will have to respectfully disagree not doing Voidwatch does not make one a bad player. There could be any of a number of reasons a player chooses not to do any particular game content. In my particular case it is usually a rush to do as much as possible before the ls breaks up.

Kaerin isn't implying you are bad if you don't do Voidwatch, but rather linkshells that try it/fail at it choose not to do it because they are bad players as a whole. This can mean they are the Pchans of the world, the Rosinas, incapable of teamwork or flat out poorly geared and shitty. The event isn't forgiving and requires not only the ability to kill it/survive to it, but work within its proc system to be successful (if not ---> massive waste of time)

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Actually i'm an inexperienced one as far as old end game anyway. Almost two years on ffx1 now. I earned my first level 75 job as level cap increase and Abyssea were coming in. I did not really have an opportunity to do most of old end game it seemed obsolete I did solo what I could and static if I found an opportunity.

It is probably correct that I can't find a ls to do Voidwatch. Every nice one I find breaks up due to infighting most over issues going back to before my time.

The reason I even asked the question is to wonder if "top tier" folks even wonder or care how posting statements like that sound to newer folks. Inexperience does not make one a bad player just a developing one. I will have to respectfully disagree not doing Voidwatch does not make one a bad player. There could be any of a number of reasons a player chooses not to do any particular game content. In my particular case it is usually a rush to do as much as possible before the ls breaks up.

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Don't worry, I'm not a top tier player either.

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Originally Posted by Neonii

Every nice one I find breaks up due to infighting most over issues going back to before my time.

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Welcome to endgame.

Really, the clash of egos here in these threads is but a sample of what happens when these people actually try to do anything together. It's inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

just like PDT. DT is lot limited to magic and physical.

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please explain to me how MDT PDT and DT work/stack.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

Kaerin isn't implying you are bad if you don't do Voidwatch, but rather linkshells that try it/fail at it choose not to do it because they are bad players as a whole. This can mean they are the Pchans of the world, the Rosinas, incapable of teamwork or flat out poorly geared and shitty. The event isn't forgiving and requires not only the ability to kill it/survive to it, but work within its proc system to be successful (if not ---> massive waste of time)

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Rearden : first AF3+2 piece obtained on 17/4/2011
Rearden : first level EIGHTY empyrean gotten 17/7/2011

The guys comes here on the official forum explaining us that people not doing VW suck. I mean do you look at your face in a mirror sometimes ? You obtain you empyrean 1 year after it is realeased and a first piece of AF3+2 8 month after it is introduced. You are a gimp.

You know this thread makes me think of the old HNM system. People that monopolized them would act allmighty everywhere on forums explaining to those that didn't camp that they were gimped. HAHAHA.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Rearden : first AF3+2 piece obtained on 17/4/2011
Rearden : first level EIGHTY empyrean gotten 17/7/2011

The guys comes here on the official forum explaining us that people not doing VW suck. I mean do you look at your face in a mirror sometimes ? You obtain you empyrean 1 year after it is realeased and a first piece of AF3+2 8 month after it is introduced. You are a gimp.

You know this thread makes me think of the old HNM system. People that monopolized them would act allmighty everywhere on forums explaining to those that didn't camp that they were gimped. HAHAHA.

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Pchan, has it ever occured to you that people come back to the game after long breaks? I mean...you did that didn't you? You got your emp super late into the game. By your logic you're a gimp too, and while you might be furiously contemplating an excuse to give to me about why you aren't gimp and why you need 15 different ele resists sets for dragua, and why rancor collar is bad, or why full usu>5/5 af3+2, just know that you are just as gimp(according to your standards) and have no valid argument seeing as you took a very long break from the game and got your emp after 85 cap came out, which makes your argument null and void.

To address your claim that people who camped kings called people who didn't camp kings gimp let me shine some light on it. I called the people who cried, complained and moaned about kings gimp because 1)They put in 0 effort to camp kings. and 2)They were gimp for not doing einherjar for the same gear sans ridill/d.ring. If you're going to say camping kings is gimp, you have a point...however the amount of gil that was made at kings was incredible(if done correctly). Face it Pchan, you're a hypocrite who's upset with BG because you got banned for being obnoxious there, and i can see how much you're hurt but just let it go.

Didn't Francisco already prove you wrong about using FFXIAH/Guildwork for time frames?

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Rearden : first AF3+2 piece obtained on 17/4/2011
Rearden : first level EIGHTY empyrean gotten 17/7/2011

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This has to do with what?

Not to mention:

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You obtain you empyrean 1 year after it is realeased and a first piece of AF3+2 8 month after it is introduced. You are a gimp.

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Considering one has said weapon, then said +2 armor piece, doesn't that contradict the statement of being gimped? What kind of idiocy is this?

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Considering one has said weapon, then said +2 armor piece, doesn't that contradict the statement of being gimped? What kind of idiocy is this?

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Because you are supposed to get them right when it is introduced. Abyssea is hard. Also gimps always have excuses.

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Because you are supposed to get them right when it is introduced. Abyssea is hard. Also gimps always have excuses.

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Just like you right? Always an excuse as to why you got your vereth in 2011

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Every nice one I find breaks up due to infighting most over issues going back to before my time.

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If you can't find a good LS, make one. It will always work out better that way.

And ya, everything Rearden said. I was only referring to people who have a group that actively does 'endgame' and does not do voidwatch. Bad drop rates are no excuse for not doing things, and its especially funny seeing Gchan say that since he has usukane body and got it before the salvage drop rates were increased.

And ya, Gchan you didn't get anything before others, ever. You were always on the tail end, just like now with your empyrean and af3+2 you didn't get any of until well after that 90 cap.

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Didn't Francisco already prove you wrong about using FFXIAH/Guildwork for time frames?

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Probably too hard to understand how that works.

Looking at that equipment history, the fact that he got 80, 85 and 90 Verethragna AND 85 Ukonvasara all on the same day should tell Pchan something. But I guess not.

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Because you are supposed to get them right when it is introduced. Abyssea is hard. Also gimps always have excuses.

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Well, I did get my first 2 Briarius Helms for Almace in August before I deployed and was away until April. I think August was when Visions came out, yeah?

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Originally Posted by Rearden

Well, I did get my first 2 Briarius Helms for Almace in August before I deployed and was away until April. I think August was when Visions came out, yeah?

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iirc visions came out in june of 2010, because i left for semester at sea on the 17th, and it was just about to come out.