If they were to cap Abyssea to 75+...

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Bullshit.

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EDIT: Only happens if you're a BRD.

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I'm serious, theres nothing to gain from lying...

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

See? I didn't even have to do it myself, you handled making fun of you for me. Fantastic, just fantastic.

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Why do you care how i had fun? if i enjoyed it why does that make you want to be negative towards me? jeez...

They should implement the Abyssea monster system into the rest of Vana'diel and do away with the old ways for good. This would put an end to the "3 level difference" rule of thumb and probably level sync, too. I'm not going to go into details at this hour but it would require some thought on how to go about it, and would require letting go of the old ways and having a minor inconvenience time from time as a soloer. Technically it could work, realistically SE won't do it. Pretty sure they'd say why not just let people leech and spare us the trouble. As a matter of fact I believe one of their japanese reps answered such a question on the japanese forums and it went along the lines of "we're cool with people leeching because it's a different game now." It was kind of hard to follow. Translation tools aren't great on the internet.

So yeah, we all might want to drop our day dreams of old exp PTs returning and invest that energy elsewhere. They just aren't going to suddenly change the entry level no matter how much some of us may whine for it. Stop letting other people and how they play bother you, and worry about yourself.

The only other way to go about it is for monsters to give 500+ exp as the standard. That would make leveling pretty fast outside of Abyssea but come on, that's just crazy. But so is Abyssea exp so why the heck not....? Be great for newbies and vets a like. Especially great for mages. Food for thought.



As for the inevitable ranting about 'oh great just what we need, the entire game modeled after abyssea' I will take this time to remind those people that the only way to fix the game to your point of view of what it should be, is to erase Abyssea and the level cap raise from the game. Basically a rollback to 1 year ago. That is never going to happen, so you need to adjust already, accept it's here to stay, and come up with ideas on how to better the game outside of Abyssea instead of doing nothing but moaning. SE isn't all knowing and they don't instantly know how to fix any and everything. With these forums and them seemingly glancing through our ideas firsthand and all in one place for a change, it is more important than ever to voice your ideas and concerns to aid them and speed the whole process up.

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Originally Posted by Vold

They should implement the Abyssea monster system into the rest of Vana'diel and do away with the old ways for good. This would put an end to the "3 level difference" rule of thumb and probably level sync, too. I'm not going to go into details at this hour but it would require some thought on how to go about it, and would require letting go of the old ways and having a minor inconvenience time from time as a soloer. Technically it could work, realistically SE won't do it. Pretty sure they'd say why not just let people leech and spare us the trouble. As a matter of fact I believe one of their japanese reps answered such a question on the japanese forums and it went along the lines of "we're cool with people leeching because it's a different game now." It was kind of hard to follow. Translation tools aren't great on the internet.

So yeah, we all might want to drop our day dreams of old exp PTs returning and invest that energy elsewhere. They just aren't going to suddenly change the entry level no matter how much some of us may whine for it. Stop letting other people and how they play bother you, and worry about yourself.

The only other way to go about it is for monsters to give 500+ exp as the standard. That would make leveling pretty fast outside of Abyssea but come on, that's just crazy. But so is Abyssea exp so why the heck not....? Be great for newbies and vets a like. Especially great for mages. Food for thought.



As for the inevitable ranting about 'oh great just what we need, the entire game modeled after abyssea' I will take this time to remind those people that the only way to fix the game to your point of view of what it should be, is to erase Abyssea and the level cap raise from the game. Basically a rollback to 1 year ago. That is never going to happen, so you need to adjust already, accept it's here to stay, and come up with ideas on how to better the game outside of Abyssea instead of doing nothing but moaning. SE isn't all knowing and they don't instantly know how to fix any and everything. With these forums and them seemingly glancing through our ideas firsthand and all in one place for a change, it is more important than ever to voice your ideas and concerns to aid them and speed the whole process up.

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I know SE isn't gonna change it thats why i ain't making a big deal about it, i just merely said how i felt. People decide to put negative comments for w/e reason, they didn't have to but they did

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Originally Posted by Juri_Licious

Before I say my question just know I don't like how Abyssea is ruining a whole lot of the game and that's my standpoint on it.

Anyways, here's my question.

If Abyssea was capped to 75+, how would they make it fair to all the players who didn't get a chance to get EXP the super crazy easy way like players before such a cap (if it happened) happened?

To be honest, everyone who has Abyssea probably has a ton of there jobs already up by now and I don't think there's a way to fix that. So a bunch of the players who haven't done Abyssea like that in the lower levels are SOL.

Solutions?

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You are not alone with this view.

the problem of chaning it to 75 stems to human Psychology. I remember reading about a test to show this with babies. what they did was gave the baby a toy and it was happpy. they gave it a bigger toy and it was happy. when they took the new toy away and gave it back the first one, even though it was happy before became unhappy.

same with this, it is hard for people to accpet a concept of being givin something then taken away.

I would of LOVED SE to make it 75+ to begin with and i BET you if we go back in time set it at 75 no one would give a damn, it would feel natural. I was VERY confused when people started saying ohh i can enter at 30 ill just key whore my self to 85 or w/e abyssea got well learned.

The economy is also too much in ruin to go back i think ( people will find it hard to get gear as you level)

the other problem is the AB burns people do, I will bet you if abyssea was made to 75 the grief there would be obnoxious.

I have no idea how to say change abyssea to 75 while adressing the other problems.

you would have to give people easier acess to level up gear. (maybe buy more gear from NPC at reasionble price)
you would have to nerf AB burns.

If your only concern is for viability of exp camps.. and abyssea being unfair to low level groups...

why not make a few "low level" camps inside abyssea...

mobs that scale 30~60ish in abyssea and dont give exp to higher level people maybe?

I think limiting game content isn't a good way to go at this point in the game. If anything restricting it would be more unfair.

Putting a few low level camps in would be a decent middle ground... people can stop q.qing about having to leech in camps....

and it would be more interesting than keying boxes for hours on end... (been there done that >_>)

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I read your OP just fine, and responded to it in my post. I could go and make a thread about stuff that's not going to happen, too. "If they were to raise the minimum required level for accessing Extra Jobs to 40+..." It would make about as much sense, have about as much backing from the Development and Community Teams, and has about as much potential as an idea for mass support.

What about "If they were to give PUP Asuran Fists..." ?

"If they were to give RDM Hastega..."

"If they were to give WHM Meteor..."

"If they were to remove Gil from the game..."

"If they were to remove the Auction House and give us Retainers..."

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This. ^

And I cannot believe the amount of people bitching and whining about abyssea one way or another. If you dislike it so much, find ways to avoid it, or quit the game. Abyssea is here to stay, and it's not likely that SE will change the level requirement to enter. Deal with it.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

This. ^

And I cannot believe the amount of people bitching and whining about abyssea one way or another. If you dislike it so much, find ways to avoid it, or quit the game. Abyssea is here to stay, and it's not likely that SE will change the level requirement to enter. Deal with it.

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Exactly!

And don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

This. ^

And I cannot believe the amount of people bitching and whining about abyssea one way or another. If you dislike it so much, find ways to avoid it, or quit the game. Abyssea is here to stay, and it's not likely that SE will change the level requirement to enter. Deal with it.

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What i can't believe is that you can't believe the amount of people bitching and whining lol. When ever change happens people complain ALWAYS its normal human behavior, we all don't see eye to eye. We know SE said its not gonna change but we still have our views :/

I guess even though things won't change and you acknowledge that... it still doesn't stop said views from appearing in a new thread every day. We get it, it's the views of a minority and that's fine, however, I'm sick of hearing it over and over and over and over and over again from the same small handful of people on this forum. Maybe SE should invest in making a venting sub-forum for all the these "views" that keep getting spewed into every topic even if it has nothing to do with the current topic at hand.

Before you get angry I'm not singling you out, I'm aware that you aren't guilty of what I mentioned above. However, wait until tomorrow morning/afternoon and we'll have the same small group of posters in every single thread explaining their wonderful views all over again in some sort of twisted FFXI anti-abyssea version of the movie "Groundhog's Day".