No, I want 3 rings at least.

To be fair, I've complained about the merit point system several times. You could easily make the same argument here that I made there.

None of these rings are as important as uncapping Tier 2 job specific merits, though, so I'd rather not fight this fight.

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Originally Posted by Afania

You can still play your mage fairly well if you pick DD ring and vice versa. It's only a shitty design if you want to maximize all jobs.

Not allowing the player to maximize ALL jobs is not a shitty design in this game, it's been the design goal for ages. You get merit point system, WS limitation, and you have to make choice for all mission reward as well. Just because Rajas/Suppa/TP bonus moonshade are slightly more powerful than other options, doesn't mean SE didn't force the player to make choice before Adoulin exists.

So why complain now? Why don't you guys complain when SE introduce DM and merit point system? Isn't it obvious that the design goal of this game doesn't allow players to maximize all jobs?

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Since when was more than 1-2 all? I can functionally fully merit over half a dozen jobs. I mean if you want to argue something I wasn't saying I recommend just quoting yourself and arguing back and forth with yourself instead.

And those weren't slightly more powerful. They were vastly more powerful and yes that is a type of force.

Also I've complained about merits before... and lo and behold they have raised limits several times over the years... almost like as the years have gone on they have wanted players to maximize more jobs. As far as DM again it was suppa or bust so the only complaint was the others sucked for the most part.... though there was the trick of getting 2 some people did.

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I still play PUP for 95% of my online FFXI time.

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That means that 18 days out of the year, you're on another job and 347 you're on pup. I'd call that only playing 1 job.

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The problem with allowing players to buy more rings with huge amoungs of bayld or loldollars, is that the ring is a one-time gift given to you by the storyline Heroine. Arciela is not a shopkeeper who sells rings. She is a Princess, who gave you a ring because of your special friendship with her and the work you did to protect the kingdom. She does allow you to exchange the single ring for another by paying a fee, presumably the fee is because she has to ask another family to get a ring from their Treasure-House, and she will do that because she is your friend. But she is not an Ebay ring shop. That is Lore, and it means a lot to me, personally.

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I didn't know the last missions had been implemented. Congratulations on beating the expansion and choosing your ring a day before update. I wish I had the beta version of the last mission pack so I knew everything that was going to happen and so that I too could conjecture wildly at the mechanics of the implementation.

The problem with your statement about lore is that SE can make the lore anything they want. For example. "Thank you adventurer for helping me beat Evil Bad Guy X. Please select 1 ring from my collection as a reward". Now take that and just change it up a bit and ""Thank you adventurer for helping me beat Evil Bad Guy X. Please select 3 rings from my collection as a reward". In the case of purchasing Ploh Trishbahk you speak to him "For your continuing and monumental efforts to keep our kingdom safe, we have been authorized to present you with another ring from the royal collection, however we need X amount of bayld as proof of your deeds"

That was about the easiest thing ever and it can still mean a lot to you AND help you get off of just PUP once and a while.

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Originally Posted by dasva

Since when was more than 1-2 all? I can functionally fully merit over half a dozen jobs. I mean if you want to argue something I wasn't saying I recommend just quoting yourself and arguing back and forth with yourself instead.

And those weren't slightly more powerful. They were vastly more powerful and yes that is a type of force.

Also I've complained about merits before... and lo and behold they have raised limits several times over the years... almost like as the years have gone on they have wanted players to maximize more jobs. As far as DM again it was suppa or bust so the only complaint was the others sucked for the most part.... though there was the trick of getting 2 some people did.

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Can you name 1 ring that's "vastly more powerful"? Maybe snapshot +6 could be if snapshot cap isn't how we assume it is. Moonshade is like a thousand more dmg for every WS in 1 slot, I don't see any ring as OP as that.

As far as DM goes the original goal was to force the players to make a choice as well. It's just that one choice was slightly better than others, so most players made the best choice easily. That doesn't mean their original goal does not want the players to choose. They just made a bad decision on the other options.

If one adoulin ring is a much better choice than others, maybe this thread won't exist, lol.

I would be happy with just 2 rings. Mostly because, as it has been mentioned, several of them have QoL stats.

If they would separate the rings into two categories; combat rings and non-combat rings, and let you choose one from each category that would be fantastic.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Can you name 1 ring that's "vastly more powerful"? Maybe snapshot +6 could be if snapshot cap isn't how we assume it is. Moonshade is like a thousand more dmg for every WS in 1 slot, I don't see any ring as OP as that.

As far as DM goes the original goal was to force the players to make a choice as well. It's just that one choice was slightly better than others, so most players made the best choice easily. That doesn't mean their original goal does not want the players to choose. They just made a bad decision on the other options.

If one adoulin ring is a much better choice than others, maybe this thread won't exist, lol.

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We were talking about previous rewards where you didn't have a hard time choosing because of power differences. So yeah again you're arguing against me with stuff I wasn't saying. Also it isn't adding 1000 dmg to almost every ws unless you are counting mobs with dmg weaknesses. It's good but not that good. Not even counting all the ones that don't have dmg modified by tp

And again it wasn't slightly better. It was the hands down choice if you had any job that could ever use it regardless of your other jobs. Saying it was slightly better is like saying tp bonus is slightly better than regain earrings

And yeah that was the entire point I was making. Before there wasn't such a wide range of real choices to make. That is the entire reason for the uproar this time. If 11 of the rings were sidegrade material there wouldn't be a push for more

I don't know what world where logical argumentation rules don't exist you come from Malphius, but I will try and help you understand:

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You're fixated on that one topic. So much so that you're dismissing everything else.

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Just because someone fixates on one topic (or subtopic of the whole) doesn't invalidate the fixater's argument; until that argument is proven false, that argument negates the possibility of your argument being valid.

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Originally Posted by Protey

first person i've ever heard of say that people don't have main jobs anymore. EVERYONE i know puts more effort into one job more than any other. Yes people play multiple jobs, but that doesn't mean they don't have a main job.

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Nobody asks what your "main job" is. Now they as "what REM jobs do you have" or "what 119 jobs do you have". The expectation is that you have several very well geared jobs to participate in events with.

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Not asking what someone's main job is =/= them not having a main job.

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Originally Posted by Protey

I find it funny that people are complaining about not being able to get more than one ring. It's like a spoiled child getting something, but it's never enough. Some people aren't happy no matter what. But SE even catered to people like you, they made it so your choice isn't permanent.

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I'm far from the only one that didn't want reward choices to be permanent. There were plenty of "people like me" that asked SE to change it which they did. Just because they asked! How is it being a spoiled child when you ask for a change to the game? Also a service i've been paying for since the release. I think people have every right to ask for anything they want. It must be nice to be the only people on the Official Forum to never ask SE to change anything.

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Asking for a change =/= asking for more. Change is already having something and altering it. You are asking for more than what is given. So in this case... asking to be able to get a different ring/earring by dropping them and getting another.... that is change. Getting more than one is not change... that is getting more than what is given and so is why I called all of you spoiled children.

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Originally Posted by Malphius

Folks, it's not an insult to Square or the developers to ask for a change to the game especially when there is plenty of merit to do so. This game is a business and their business is to offer a service. It's not personal and they don't take it personal. If they had announced the end rewards and you could select up to 3 rings, would the same people be making all this noise against it? Would they be demanding to receive only 1 ring or is this more about whatever the development team does is the way it must be and should be and I don't want to offend the company. I have a feeling it's the later.

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If they had only introduced 3 rings like CoP, say Woltaris, Karieyh, and Vocane, would you be making all this noise against it? If so, why don't you make a big hooplah about not being able to get refresh moonshade earring and TP moonshade earring.

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I don't know what world where logical argumentation rules don't exist you come from Malphius, but I will try and help you understand:

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Thanks for your assistance. I don't think its needed though.

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Just because someone fixates on one topic (or subtopic of the whole) doesn't invalidate the fixater's argument; until that argument is proven false, that argument negates the possibility of your argument being valid.

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What it shows is an inability to debate someone point per point and it shows bias to a specific particular topic. She frequently uses false equivalence in attempts to discredit the person she is trying to debate. It's been pointed out here and on other boards that he or she does this quite often. Their argument is invalid until they can make an appropriate and balanced comparison.

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Not asking what someone's main job is =/= them not having a main job.

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Here is the difference from myself and everyone else. I can admit when i'm wrong. This is true and I should not have stated it as fact. That's just my experience with the group I have been rolling with for so long now. I still think that the majority of players focus on a few jobs and not just one. There is a HUGE community with several REM weapons with the best gear for those jobs. It will depend person to person and with how much playtime they have.

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Asking for a change =/= asking for more. Change is already having something and altering it. You are asking for more than what is given. So in this case... asking to be able to get a different ring/earring by dropping them and getting another.... that is change. Getting more than one is not change... that is getting more than what is given and so is why I called all of you spoiled children.

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It's asking for a change to the reward system. It's asking for a change to the current rules. The result is that you come away with more items which increase your characters skill and ability. It doesn't matter what anyone asks for in this game, it's all for personal gain. That argument isn't going to work. Just like if I ask for a change to increase my RDM shield skill (as you recently did). You have been given additional and free shield skill points. Shield skill still works the same as it always has. Only a petulant child would be unhappy with what SE has already given them.

Also nobody asked for the rings to be free. Just that we have the ability to acquire more. You're making several assumptions that aren't true. It's been raised several times here and other places that we could have the ability to purchase an additional ring for an exorbitant amount of bayld. This has the side benefit of keeping Adoulin content relevant for much longer than it currently will be.

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If they had only introduced 3 rings like CoP, say Woltaris, Karieyh, and Vocane, would you be making all this noise against it? If so, why don't you make a big hooplah about not being able to get refresh moonshade earring and TP moonshade earring.

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Answer mine and i'll answer yours.

3 rings. <<Yes Please>> !!

I didn't say it was "wild conjecture". I said you were conjecturing wildly. There is a distinction.

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