Remove jug pet caps altogether! Pet Level = /checkparam item level

The automaton Trusts are nothing like using the real thing. Having them doesn't make someone a PUP.
That thread you referenced mentions the sky gods as special summons like Odin/Alexander. I had totally forgot about that but hey we all remember the pet-TH fiasco and of course the scorpion didn't win and yada yada. And now the turtle is a regular jug? Yeah I don't get it either.

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Originally Posted by Mitruya

The automaton Trusts are nothing like using the real thing. Having them doesn't make someone a PUP.
That thread you referenced mentions the sky gods as special summons like Odin/Alexander. I had totally forgot about that but hey we all remember the pet-TH fiasco and of course the scorpion didn't win and yada yada. And now the turtle is a regular jug? Yeah I don't get it either.

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That is what I am saying regarding dragon jugs; Nauls and shadow dragons function nothing like a dragoon's wyvern. We are still missing a lance and healing breathes, hence are not drgs. however, some argued for the sentimental aspect of a dragon, regardless of the efficacy/function.

but, i don't want to make this thread about dragon jugs, this is Zombie's thread pertaining to pet lvl cap, so i will chill out.

^^ Hence I tried to move my discussion back over to the other thread. My apologies for the derailment.

Its cool, i do understand where you are coming from. honestly, dragons are the very least of bst problems. Knowing SE, we will receive a wyrm with only hurricane wing "Shrugs"

As Balloon stated, they are great pets out there (Some of which we have) that are either not in native form or unreleased.

Using a support job has nothing to do with lore and storyline. Puks are part dragon, part vermin. Go read the official description of the species from SE. It's classified as dragon because the system doesn't allow for both and SE chose to throw it under Dragons. Hence why I said SE needs to just change it to their vermin side so people will stop complaining BST can charm dragons. Because it's not a true dragon, it is part beast. I'm not repeating that any more and SE said no because of lore. If you want to ignore the lore officially written by SE and think the game's lore is based on job abilities and support jobs, knock yourself out.

Your posts are all over the place and really this is stemming from you personally not liking someone disagreeing with your concept of the game. Same as the other thread arguing BST pets are inexpensive because you've maxed Cooking. The real bottom line is you voice an opinion, you don't like when someone disagrees with your opinion and beat it to death with a wall of text that isn't really a counterpoint and get all wound up.

End of me participating in derailing a thread that's supposed to be focused on jug pet caps and pet levels. I agree and support SE's response on lore and explained why, and you are free to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Rwolf

Using a support job has nothing to do with lore and storyline. Puks are part dragon, part vermin. Go read the official description of the species from SE. It's classified as dragon because the system doesn't allow for both and SE chose to throw it under Dragons. Hence why I said SE needs to just change it to their vermin side so people will stop complaining BST can charm dragons. Because it's not a true dragon, it is part beast. I'm not repeating that any more and SE said no because of lore. If you want to ignore the lore officially written by SE and think the game's lore is based on job abilities and support jobs, knock yourself out.

Your posts are all over the place and really this is stemming from you personally not liking someone disagreeing with your concept of the game. Same as the other thread arguing BST pets are inexpensive because you've maxed Cooking. The real bottom line is you voice an opinion, you don't like when someone disagrees with your opinion and beat it to death with a wall of text that isn't really a counterpoint and get all wound up.

End of me participating in derailing a thread that's supposed to be focused on jug pet caps and pet levels. I agree and support SE's response on lore and explained why, and you are free to disagree.

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SE alluded to adding a wyvern pet, but you completely glossed over that XD.

But keep ranting; puks are dragons, bottomline. If SE changed them to vermin that will just pile on to the contradicting because puks have dragon traits and count as dragon kills in ToM.

You can create all the lore you want (You never clarified lore btw, only "knights" Also, bst knight being a knight? whaaaa?), but fact, puks are dragons, get over it brah^^

You are also getting extremely confrontational and personal, this is personal because you are bringing up old threads I posted in, cooking? Really?

Balloon disagreed with me, but I respectably told him I can get with that http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post516796. I agree, we still have monsters that are yet to see the light of day.

No clue what you are talking about brah "Shrugs" I even agreed with ppl about jug cost http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post503768, my thing was the efficacy and cost does not equate; man....talk about ppl being all over the place, lol (You). I understand that everyone does not want to lvl a craft, but I would be lying if i told you it did not make jug accessibility much easier.

To end this derailment, PUKS ARE VERMIN; happy?^^
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/P..._Fantasy_XI%29

P.S, they beg to differ, puks may be part colibri.

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Originally Posted by Rwolf

Kindred are Demons. Demons are predatory to dragons. So a demon Beastmaster having a dragon pet makes a lot of sense because it is unique to their species not the job.

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This is incorrect. They oppose each other, which is why it's so weird.

I also cannot agree with saying job abilities and traits have nothing to do with the lore. They most certainly do, but of course there can be odd occurrences of shared traits in one's arsenal because the items you equip and spells you cast have lore of their own (And of course, in the lore, adventurers can fuse two jobs together to forge their own destiny, to a limited extent).

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello,

The development team has no plans to remove the level and status caps for pets, but we will continue to add new pets as we move forward, and we are planning to add new pets in the September version update.

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So Camate, they won't explain their reasoning for the caps? Because I think that's what we all truly want. All the caps appear to do is force players to use the most current (and most expensive) pets, which are, more often than not, just copies of older pets, so why is SE making it harder on themselves?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello,

The development team has no plans to remove the level and status caps for pets, but we will continue to add new pets as we move forward, and we are planning to add new pets in the September version update.

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You guys should ask yourselves why you think adding yet more jug pets is going to fix anything :x Does it not occur to you something isn't working or is it meant to be a continuous "throw them a bone to make them fell better" thing? ;(

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Originally Posted by Leonardus

This is incorrect. They oppose each other, which is why it's so weird.

I also cannot agree with saying job abilities and traits have nothing to do with the lore. They most certainly do, but of course there can be odd occurrences of shared traits in one's arsenal because the items you equip and spells you cast have lore of their own (And of course, in the lore, adventurers can fuse two jobs together to forge their own destiny, to a limited extent).

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I can agree in hindsight that predator is the wrong descriptor to use. They do oppose each other, yet it's not weird in my opinion to see a demon Beastmaster with a Wyvern because of their opposition. Where I don't agree is using that as a foundation for saying logically Beastmaster should charm Dragon types because of this. Tres Duendes has a Fomor BLM for a pet, doesn't mean Beastmaster should charm Fomors either.

Job abilities having something to do with lore in the context of what the job is about, I agree on that. But when I was addressing WoW, it was said in the context of job abilities, traits and effects that are shared in any sort of way have nothing to do with lore. For example, just because you can wear "Beast Killer" armor doesn't make you a Beastmaster. BST and BLU have some overlap in abilities but BST taming monsters to use their monster abilities and BLU augments their soul with monster essence have nothing to do with each other. Even trust magic is not a comparison. They aren't pets, I cannot command them to do anything. I can only summon and release the magic.

I see no logical reason to break the game's lore just to allow BST to tame a mini wyrm. Puks are a unique case of being classified in the rigid structure of the game as Dragon-type but lore wise they are just as much Vermin as they are Dragons. Hence why I think they allowed BST to charm them. I don't agree with SE's reply awhile back that Puks are into Dragoons territory, so no Puk jugs.

Completely agree with Vold and Leo, if the cap was lifted, we would not need any new pets until the next cap, so essentially, SE is making it harder for themselves perhaps?

They could just dig in, do the work, knock bst affinity out, and reap the benefits later (Not worrying about new pets every three or so months, because we are complaining about the new ones suck-itude).

I would also like for SE to add moves which were removed from our jugs. Iirc, SE added wild carrot to every rabbit familiar, hence this should be doable, np. Pets should be close to their native forms, monstrosity like, this is absolutely ridiculous imo.
http://t14.imagechef.com/ic/imgout/s...9a6f9c637b.jpg

He is missing two moves, Hoof Volley and Nihility Song, but you added them to monstrosity, hence they are implementable XD. Another example are the lynx, admantoise, and several others.

I would love for the cap to be lifted to end this senseless repeat cycle; however, I do not want to use a cactus with just 1k needles, a beetle without rhinowrecker, a lynx with only charged whisker, etc. Honestly, Hobs, Falcorr, and Nazuna will most likely be the main jugs used. I do not see anyone using the raptor, antilion, sabotender, fly, flytrap, apkallu, slug, or the beetle (rarely seen those guys in their respective eras, save the slug before the debuff changes, mainly hobs, NN, lucky, falcorr onry). Honestly, it would be pretty much the same, with a little hobs, falcorr, and nazuna. The great deal of jugs are not even good and SE is to blame. essentially, we will still be only using 3 or 4 jugs.

I cannot speak for everyone, but me and my friends mainly used the most damaging pets or the most durable (Hobs, Falcorr). This move removal is to blame. Most ppl would never use a crab over falcorr, NN, or hobs. However, a crab with venom shower and megascissors would be a solid choice as opposed to the whole hobs or falcorr only rotation. Imo, there is no reason to use the others; Thank You SE^^

Imo, hq versions of repeats whom are distinctly different than their nq counterparts are acceptable.

I may take a ton of flak for this, but I am an advocate for another crab^^







http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...orter_Crab.png
Metallic Body
Bubble Shower
Bubble Curtain
Scissor Guard
Big Scissors
Mega Scissors
Venom Shower