Pet job buffs, more job equality <Yes, please>
SE has been giving us some good adjustments and drops since Delve 1.0, but it's useless when you can't even get in the content on those jobs without having the drop already. ("No Upukirex? Sorry, no Ceizak clear for you")
The jobs just under-perform, suffer from JA delays, and the pets can't hit anything or stay alive.
Why are there even 22 jobs in this game at all if only 5 or 6 can access content?
I suppose the lackluster JSE weapons are the answer for those of us who are excluded, yet for the gil I'd spend I could probably buy a Delve win anyway ...
If the content is so "easy" that parties can carry leeches, then why the hell can't a pet job player come and actually play the game?
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04-09-2014, 08:08 AMMitruya
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04-09-2014, 02:57 PMJinzha
Grimlocke, I apologize for the crudeness of my comments towards you, and I'll admit that I did lash out at you because I felt you deserved it. I think comments like the ones I made against you are exactly why these forums aren't very successful because people fail to respect the opinions of others. I bullied you the same way that you bullied others with your comments, and discouraged you from being able to comment in a friendly environment. However, don't think that my apology means that you did nothing wrong. The point of these threads are to contribute insightful comments and suggestions that the game developers can use to create a road map for making the game better, and by saying some of the condescending and bias and stubborn things you said gets no one nowhere. I wouldn't have gone back on what I said to ask for a truce if I didn't think that there was a important lesson to be learned for everyone in this forum. I neglected to think about who I could have been talking to... For all I know you could have been only twelve or thirteen years old and here I am scolding you and making you feel unwelcome in a place that should be free for everyone to comment and let their voices be heard. I'm not insulting you and saying you're twelve, I'm just saying that none of us know who is on the other side of the screen and none of us know how that person feels or what that person may be going through. And I should have personally known better not to make anyone feel bad no matter who they are for what they may have said because I do the same thing too. So I will say that although I disagree with your opinions, I respect what you have said, and you shouldn't feel like you can't comment in the forums because of our clash.
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04-09-2014, 08:35 PMLithera
It's not you, it's him. I'm just surprised he continued to post on these forums after he said he would stop; after his I'm not going to try and have the rest of the forum try to understand why I want to buy SoA straight from PoL without any real explanation thread.
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04-09-2014, 11:51 PMRailerCame back after 4 years still the same.
Guess I will not renew this month due to again not being able to play Beastmaster as main. May come back when pet jobs are buffed to everyone's standards for end game activities.
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04-10-2014, 09:17 AMJinzhaI actually think that's a good idea because then Geomancers wouldn't necessarily need to sub WHM, RDM, or SCH in order to heal their pets. Could heal Luopans anytime through elemental magic, and granted tier 1 elemental magic does so much now, you could probably cure a luopan with just a couple low mp nukes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brightshadow
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04-11-2014, 01:43 AMbungiefanNAIt looks like he just decided to nuke his account by deleting every post he could, except the thread he started. Apparently the apology won't be read. I wonder if the moderators could restore his posts so at least people can get the full conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinzha
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04-11-2014, 03:31 AMJinzhaYa he deleted all his posts before I made my 'apology' comment, but I'm sure he seen my post. I Doubt he wouldn't stick around for a little while longer to see how everyone responded to his rage quit. But I said what I said and I meant it. I feel bad that we all sort of ganged up on him and made him feel like he can't post here anymore, but he was asking for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bungiefanNA
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04-11-2014, 03:58 AMSiviardWhy apologize? He was trolling and it was annoying. Personally, I'm glad you put him in his place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jinzha
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04-11-2014, 06:50 AMShinron-PUP
I'm a bit disappointed that two weeks after the creation of this thread we still have yet to see any sort of response by the Forum Leaders, although we clearly asked that this was a topic that we absolutely wanted some feed back on. Of course this isn't a big surprise, there're probably hundreds of suggestions made by the pet job community that probably didn't even get looked at. But seriously? 33 likes on the OP and counting and that's not enough to jolt some attention? Honestly that's more likes than I've ever seen any game developers or even Camate ever get in the NA forums. I'd like to ask everyone in the forum: Do you guys think that they're purposely not responding to this thread because its too controversial and they know that it's the most logical solution but they don't want to do it? I feel like Kaiichi was on to something:
Has anyone else noticed that typically the only time a thread is responded to is if the game developers already intended to add that suggestion or are asking for suggestions themselves? I'm starting to believe that the forums are giving the false illusion that the game developers are listening to our opinions, but are actually just doing what they want to do and not what we all would like to have happen at the end of the day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaiichi
We asked clearly that all we want is a response. It could be telling us that they have reviewed our suggestions, or that they do or do not want to implement these types of suggestions. If we don't get a response how are we supposed to know if the suggestion was ever even looked at. I feel like a thread like this would probably have been responded to already if we were in the JP forums and not NA, and it's a bit frustrating that just because we have a smaller player base, our opinions aren't equivalent to a Japanese player's. I'd like to know what you guys think:
- Do Japanese players get responded to more than NA players?
- Are the game developers purposely not responding to us?
- Are we wasting our time in the end?
Just like Alhanelem said, the game developers keep coming up with half baked solutions to problems that could be fixed so easily...
I'm a career Puppetmaster, and because I do a lot of end game content, I always need Automaton Repair Oils and Dawn Mulsims. I've spent over 30 million gil in oils and mulsims in all the time I've been playing PUP. Can you honestly tell me that this is practical when I could have been using cures and waltzes that would have cost me nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
I'm not saying that pets being able to receive healing magic and buffs from other players are the only solutions to solving our issues with keeping our pets alive and being useful in group content. Peepiopi had a good point that FFXIV has been using that is making pet survive better.
Maybe we don't need a flat 90%, but some indirect damage annullment could go a long when in fixing our pets death rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peepiopi
If you guys have other ideas that you believe would make pet jobs more useful in group content, make a post a let us all know. We need all the good ideas we can get because the game developers clearly don't have any. -
04-11-2014, 07:53 AMGannon
Honestly I think the language barrier is the biggest obstacle to overcome with getting your ideas to the devs. It would probably be a good idea for someone that is good at translating between English and Japanese to compile all the good ideas from this thread, translate them into Japanese and post them all on their side of the forums.