red ninja needs buffs, badly.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

He didn't say anything about east r s. I would agree though at east r s I would prefer nin tank over pld cause they barely take any damage oit there. At 55+ is where things get messy. Melee DD don't know how to play. They put nin in parties with 4 crazy high dps DD and exspect a nin to hold hate when they ws as soon as the fight starts. Everyone wants to tp burn @ 55 and it just doesn't work with nin tank without thf properly. Dd eat magic p creating downtime or some dies. It works with pld but even they loose hate when you have rng ws for 1k.

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It works even better wiht just 4 dds, and a brd instead of a "tank".

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Originally Posted by svengalis

He didn't say anything about east r s. I would agree though at east r s I would prefer nin tank over pld cause they barely take any damage oit there. At 55+ is where things get messy. Melee DD don't know how to play. They put nin in parties with 4 crazy high dps DD and exspect a nin to hold hate when they ws as soon as the fight starts. Everyone wants to tp burn @ 55 and it just doesn't work with nin tank without thf properly. Dd eat magic p creating downtime or some dies. It works with pld but even they loose hate when you have rng ws for 1k.

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If you need a tank to actually hold hate in EXP then odds are the party sucks. I liked THF in EXP parties but TAs being necessities for the party to function is fail. A THF can take large chunks out of the mob, take a few hits on blink and the other DD should turn it or kill it before the DD becomes a huge sponge.

In a typical oldschool NIN DD DD DD Healer Puller party, if 4 people cannot kill Colibri then you have a problem. Either the DD need to sub defensively and share the pain or you need to find a better camp cause you're obviously too low for the area.

This isn't to say that DD can't be mismatched - the really bad with really good but needing a tank on birds is bunk. A PLD cannot keep hate off a good DD nevermind a NIN so the whole concept of "tank" means you either hold back and slow kills to make the NIN/PLD feel good or you kill fast and avoid the tons of damage that comes with having Mr. Colibri stay alive too long.

#1 problem with oldschool EXP was that people wanted to camp in areas when mobs were IT+ instead of waiting the 1-2 levels for mobs to drop to high VT where they are far more reasonable to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

I think its worth noting now that there is 55-60 lesser camps in both bhaflau thickets and wajaom woodlands, but ya the jin ws comment is out there.

I been wondering though, what is a red ninja?

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Terrible Gauntlet reference.

Methods for low level ninjas to keep hate hasnt changed since 2004/5.
Macro enmity for provoke, full time good DD gear other then that, use good food, use spells when appropriate, don't get hit, and just do your best to win the parse. It's not hard, it never was.

And what the h.....
Tearvalynn/andylynn/whatever, you have sunk to a new level of downsyndrombaby with your blade jin is wind damage comments, lol.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Methods for low level ninjas to keep hate hasnt changed since 2004/5.
Macro enmity for provoke, full time good DD gear other then that, use good food, use spells when appropriate, don't get hit, and just do your best to win the parse. It's not hard, it never was.

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Actually the appropriate method is to not sub war, use shurkens up to 40, then switch to ele wheel /rdm, and stop pretending to be a tank, and go all out dding, since that results in you tanking anyway.

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Originally Posted by rog

Actually the appropriate method is to not sub war, use shurkens up to 40, then switch to ele wheel /rdm, and stop pretending to be a tank, and go all out dding, since that results in you tanking anyway.

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So we said the exact same things, except you want to use different subs.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

So we said the exact same things, except you want to use different subs.

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No. Not getting hit and having enmity gear is not part of my ninja. Going out of your way to get enmity is just stupid.

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Originally Posted by rog

No. Not getting hit and having enmity gear is not part of my ninja. Going out of your way to get enmity is just stupid.

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Tanking is what you want to do, going out of your way to gain enmity is the best way to accomplish this? Whether it's from having enmity gear to macro on for half a second or doing good damage, or not losing lots of enmity by getting hit a lot.

Maybe you're just trying to argue something different from me, I'm saying ninja is suppose to tank, and it's easy to do, and going out of your way to gain as much enmity as possible is a good thing.

Tanking is not the aim though. DDing is. Fortunately low level nin does so much more damage than everyone else, that you'll be tanking no matter what.

And no, trying to get more enmity is NOT good. You will hold hate no matter what, assuming you don't suck, so trying to get more will just lower your damage output, for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Andylynn

red ninja needs buffs, badly.

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Was red Ninja about to die?

Or did red Ninja shoot the food?

Remmber, don't shoot food!