Tidal Talisman - Request

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Originally Posted by Umichi

in your example your comparing apples to oranges...

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No, I'm quite literally comparing dollars to dollars. You said your Talisman was special specifically because you paid real money for it. I pointed out the subscription itself cost real money, leading you do indicate that $50 is "special" while $13 isn't. I asked you where the line was drawn, and you started spewing qualifiers. Moving the goalposts, No True Tarutaru, etc.

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from now until forever.

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http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/top...al/080818.html

I don't see the word "forever." In fact, business legal departments tend to strongly discourage any use of the word "forever."

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what if SE told you you get to keep your price at 12.95 a month and says anyone after this date has to pay a higher fee than your price (...) then tells everyone later on that there will be a special time frame that allows people who weren't there before the change to be able to change it to that number?

how about we tack on a 5 year waiting period before they decide to let this happen. would you think it's still fair? if you say yes your either lying or you truly do not get the point i'm trying to make.

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Why talk hypotheticals? S-E will charge me only $9.99/mo to subscribe to FFXIV while new players will be charged $12.99/mo. If that only lasts for five years, and I subscribe continuously for those five years, I will have saved $180. Since this is over 4 times the $42.99 MSRP that you assert is "special," that would make the Legacy Campaign over 4 times as special as a Tidal Talisman.

And yes, I'd be cool with that, because $180.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It would be a rank 1 prize, something you have a 100% chance to obtain by picking a different last digit for each of your marbles.

or a no digits match prize, something everyone has a 99.99% chance of obtaining if they don't do the above.

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You're talking about a company that can't even realize that this is what they needed to do with the ark weapons...

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

No, I'm quite literally comparing dollars to dollars. You said your Talisman was special specifically because you paid real money for it. I pointed out the subscription itself cost real money, leading you do indicate that $50 is "special" while $13 isn't. I asked you where the line was drawn, and you started spewing qualifiers. Moving the goalposts, No True Tarutaru, etc.



http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/top...al/080818.html

I don't see the word "forever." In fact, business legal departments tend to strongly discourage any use of the word "forever."



Why talk hypotheticals? S-E will charge me only $9.99/mo to subscribe to FFXIV while new players will be charged $12.99/mo. If that only lasts for five years, and I subscribe continuously for those five years, I will have saved $180. Since this is over 4 times the $42.99 MSRP that you assert is "special," that would make the Legacy Campaign over 4 times as special as a Tidal Talisman.

And yes, I'd be cool with that, because $180.

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I revealed this post for curiosity sake and suprisingly agreed with pretty much every word of it.

the data is hard to find because SE didn't really advertise it outside of the game sure game sites kept records but it was mostly the link you posted which is only the main page

http://www.warcry.com/news/view/8555...yer-Collection

your link also states in the first paragraph that 1 it's exlusive. and 2 that people buying the item would get an in-game item of the same name, re-instating my previous comments about how this item in-game and out of game should be purely kept to being exclusively only collecting the item in real life.... what's the point of it being a collectors edition item if you don't collect it?

If your mindset is that the warp is of worth and worth value why not go and collect it.... it's item's like these that create much fun and excitement, for the item itself in real life and in cases like people like me i enjoy having both the in-game item and the RL necklace; but if you want it merely for the in-game item don't ruin the fun of others by trying to make everything devalued just because you want something that matches it..

a link to a decent discussion on the exclusivity of the necklace from people who can articulate more fluently

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tidal_Talisman

It's not in my usual attire i wear around town or in the wilds and it definately takes up space but there is a storage for it and i can grab it anytime it's needed incase i get bored of wearing the same old thing everyday or in the rare case i do need it for it's warp i use it..... It's a very powerful item when it's actually used in real scenarios... but in most normal cases i don't need it to get to where I'm going....

a link for most of the services to get around ffxi in forum talk

http://forums.ffxiclopedia.org/viewt...tidal+talisman


If you actually look around there are alot of the same discussions were having right now I'm still digging to find a link to some offical posgts this was done before dev trackers was thought of for ffxi lol.. so might be tough...

a link to some talk from around the time of the development of abyssea and announcement of the add-ons

http://forums.ffxiclopedia.org/viewt...lisman#p202113

I might like to point out this interesting bit from the link above

“I think the Tidal Talisman is one of the coolest looking pieces of gear out there.”
- Hiromichi Tanaka, Producer

When Mr. Tanaka first approached the graphic design team, he expounded his vision of a “brilliant pendant to grace the necks of all adventurers everywhere, be they in string bikinis or surf shorts.” And yet due to some unforgivable miscommunication somewhere along the line, the end product was a luxurious long-coat seemingly tailor-made for high-end players.
The original prototype was something along the lines of… (image)
But, being nothing more than a complimentary in-game bauble accompanying the actual merchandise, it was finally decided upon to create a modest, understated piece of Level 1 gear that players wouldn’t necessarily drool over. Even the enchantment was intentionally made a bit tongue-in-cheek so as not to be something players would feel absolutely compelled to have.
But, we just can’t seem to part with the original design. Maybe we’ll hang onto these graphics and reuse them for a high-end piece of gear sometime in the future…


so you can see the ingame design was intentionally crafted for people who purchased these necklaces as an item for decoration... a bauble a piece of clothing for your avatar... an extension of you in game!

While i feel bad for the players who could not buy one i do not regret and trust SE's decision in this matter.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Not going to happen, it was an exclusive reward for players who bought the actual tidal talisman jewelry from the SE store.

Games do this all the time these days, and if you miss it you miss it.

How would you like it if you bought the collectors edition of a game because it offered some exclusive item as an incentive, then later after the colelctors edition is discontinued, they offer it agian, making your exclusive reward not so exclusive anymore? Basically, it breaks a promise.

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As an owner of a tidal talisman, I would not give a flying fig if they gave them out to everyone for free.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

As an owner of a tidal talisman, I would not give a flying fig if they gave them out to everyone for free.

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we all line in a world filled with personal opinions but where does commen sense lie? it's still a exclusive item in game and in real life. how hard is that?

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Originally Posted by Umichi

we all line in a world filled with personal opinions but where does commen sense lie? it's still a exclusive item in game and in real life. how hard is that?

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Common sense is as subjective as any opinion. My common sense tells me that if there is a demand for the item then it'd be a good move to try to meet that demand.

if it wasn't exclusive i would see this standpoint... eventually we will be going into things such as philosophy and stuff ust to continue the conversational; path were gong down lol..

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Originally Posted by Umichi

your link also states in the first paragraph that 1 it's exlusive.

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It was being sold exclusively by S-E directly, not by any other stores. All "exclusive" means is "can't be found anywhere else."

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If your mindset is that the warp is of worth and worth value why not go and collect it....

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Because it's no longer for sale, as OP has pointed out repeatedly.

And you still haven't divulged at what price something becomes "special."

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

It was being sold exclusively by S-E directly, not by any other stores. All "exclusive" means is "can't be found anywhere else.

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Exactly. Exclusive is just a marketing buzzword. There's probably a warehouse out there filled from top to bottom with "exclusive limited edition collector's" coins. There are comic book stores that can't give away their stacks of "exclusive limited edition foil embossed #1 issue collector's" comics.

Besides, SE is under no obligation to NOT produce more of the talismans and codes for the in-game item. They don't have to attempt to ensure that the item has any certain value. If they don't want to make any more, well that's fine. It's their product. If they do however, they certainly can. No one is entitled to be the only person on their block with a tidal talisman.