Will there be camps in the new expansion?

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Originally Posted by Sarick

THAT link is for Final Fantasy 14!!

If you want to play FF14 there's the door. Don't say this is people voting for Final Fantasy 11. Why don't I link to a WOW page that shows it's subscriber base and then say SEE, I beg to differ with you people want easy mode.

See how easy it is to skew results when you use different services? :rolleyes:

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My point is that a lot of that game's playerbase wants to see elements of its predecessor, in this case HNM's, return so that they can enjoy them in a new setting without having to go elsewhere to find them. If they can't find them there or anywhere, where are they left to go for their niche? Some would say these types of players are but a small percentage in the realm of MMORPG's, and I beg to differ. The link was my proof.

Just because a handful of people on these forums reject the idea, doesn't mean the rest of the gaming world wouldn't enjoy it. Get used to that idea.

Sure, they could make them not drop any loot. Then they'd be like Jormungand where people only ever fight it for the title, and it sits up all by itself 95% of the time.

Or they could expand on the old system, and make the gear drop from alternative sources. They half did this in the past, but left a large number of items HNM specific. Presumably, to keep them rare, since every player shouldn't have every item anyways.

Or they could do something similar to bosses in NNI and just give you key items that can eventually be redeemed for gear.

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

My point is that a lot of that game's playerbase wants to see elements of its predecessor, in this case HNM's, return so that they can enjoy them in a new setting without having to go elsewhere to find them. If they can't find them there or anywhere, where are they left to go for their niche? Some would say these types of players are but a small percentage in the realm of MMORPG's, and I beg to differ. The link was my proof.

Just because a handful of people on these forums reject the idea, doesn't mean the rest of the gaming world wouldn't enjoy it. Get used to that idea.

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Your link proves that a bunch of people who are crazy enough to play a game that not only has nothing to do with this one, but absolutely sucks enjoy something that no one else likes. Which is a conclusion that one can jump to just by seeing that they play FFXIV. No need to take a poll. A thread that shows that people who enjoy a crappy game, want crappy content doesn't help your argument much at all.

Just because a handful of people on those forums like the idea, doesn't mean the rest of the gaming world would enjoy it. Get used to that idea.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Sure, they could make them not drop any loot. Then they'd be like Jormungand where people only ever fight it for the title, and it sits up all by itself 95% of the time.

Or they could expand on the old system, and make the gear drop from alternative sources. They half did this in the past, but left a large number of items HNM specific. Presumably, to keep them rare, since every player shouldn't have every item anyways.

Or they could do something similar to bosses in NNI and just give you key items that can eventually be redeemed for gear.

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It was my understanding from reading what they have said in interviews, that they intended the monsters to stay up %95 of the time like Jormy. They did not expect that players would spend days / nights / weeks camping them. That is part of the reason they put the kabosh on them.

But that doesn't really matter because the simple fact is that %99 of the people on a server will never get to experience them and the ones who do will likely have a bad experience due to an even smaller group of players who are total d-bags.

How about in the new expansion the devs take advantage of the whole instanced concept and make HNMs appear in instanced dungeons? Or perhaps make it like Besieged at those OPs players are capable of making and having each OP keep a track record of points gained for loot specific to that OP? These are the only feasible methods I see in introducing HNMs in the new expansion that allows many(more than one ls) to participate and experience the content.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Your link proves that a bunch of people who are crazy enough to play a game that not only has nothing to do with this one, but absolutely sucks enjoy something that no one else likes. Which is a conclusion that one can jump to just by seeing that they play FFXIV. No need to take a poll. A thread that shows that people who enjoy a crappy game, want crappy content doesn't help your argument much at all.

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200 > 24

FFXIV =/= FFXI

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

200 > 24

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Damn, you just keep on making the same fallacies over and over as if repeating the same thing will make it true (this is argument from repetition), your post is an example of appeal to belief and incomplete comparison and does nothing to fortify your position.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

FFXIV =/= FFXI

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MMO = MMO
HNM Topic = HNM Topic
Final Fantasy = Final Fantasy

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Originally Posted by Eyeballed

MMO = MMO
HNM Topic = HNM Topic
Final Fantasy = Final Fantasy

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Almost correct.

MMO = MMO
HNM Topic = HNM Topic
Final Fantasy XI =/= Final Fantasy XIV

There we go!

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Almost correct.

MMO = MMO
HNM Topic = HNM Topic
Final Fantasy IX =/= Final Fantasy XIV

There we go!

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Absolutely! ;)