regardinf TH - unbalanced pet jobs

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Originally Posted by Luvbunny

So basically there are several pet based jobs in the game, each with their own uniqueness and specialty

- SMN: dirt cheap pet based job, fast recast and resummon, able to tank with the right atmas and if you pay attention to damage type and elemental resistance, can self heal but have expensive dawn mulsum to use as "pet food" - play with caution as SMN is extremely weak and can die fast if gets too close to AOE damage. Lvlng SMN magic also takes awhile to cap - so if you graduated from abyssea school of insta99, best of luck doing GoV.
- DRG: very nice DD as master with pet as support on damage, healing and status removal. It has the least commands for its pet, not as customizable as other pet jobs and pet is mostly add support damage. More melee DD than any of the other pet jobs.
- PUP: require fine tuning between pet and master, very versatile with attachments and automaton types, front line attacker for master, with the right atmas and automaton can have pet to tank, requires dawn mulsum, oil and healing salve to survive. Getting the best attachment can be quite costly. Cannot issue direct command, only hints, pray to SE Gods that your automaton cast the right spells at the right time. Abyssea graduates will have the hardest time skilling up automatons, should start calling GOV areas a second home.
- BST: Jug pets and pet foods can be expensive but in the long run you will get your money back, great tanking pets, lots of variety of pets to use depending on situations, limited direct command with long timers and tp dependency, can tank flawlessly inside and outside abyssea, use tons of expensive food, healing salve and dawn mulsum. Extremely newbie friendly since its master not required to have max weapon skills, pet can efficiently tank with no skill ups dependent.

So there you have it, 4 pet jobs with some variants, one is mage focused, 3 are melee DD focused, a couple require more skills and a bit of knowledge, each with its own plus and minuses.

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Succinct breakdown of the four pet jobs in FFXI atm, but what point were you driving at here? Maybe you hit the post button before you got around to the "bringin' it on home" bit of the post?

Only thing I would add is the endgame relevance of each job from I'd say likely in this order from most to least desired SMN > DRG > PUP > BST. Just because it seems kind of 1 sided to focus exclusively on a job's solo capabilities without bringing to light it's group merits as well.

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

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And all that is what in English?

All I got was TH works as a random chance to build-up, something only applicable to THF and RNG. BST gets a straight TH1 with no chance of increase so far.

The rest might as well be written in Latin.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

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omg, 'monephase'



this.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

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First off, it's "Exploit" and second off I don't think you know what an exploit is. Abusing a flaw in the game's coding, such as the old strategy for Krabkatoa wherein you would take advantage of bad pathing to more or less achieve a guaranteed victory, or using the old salvage duping glitch. Those are good examples of exploits. But I can't see how using a job trait, given us by SE, for exactly the purpose that the very trait exists for, could possible qualify as an exploit. If you'd like to explain this, then by all means try. Or you could just admit you're just on an anti bst crusade and be done with it.

What's really sad is how this is all much ado about nothing. If the OP thinks having TH1 on his Auto is going to make all his dreams come true then he is sadly mistaken. I guess if he's out farming beehive chips for a living it'd be nice, but I'd be shocked if it made anything more than a negligible difference on any loot that really matters. It sure doesn't seem to do much for me. Trust me, OP, you ain't missing a thing.

Of course, I think I'm trying to apply reason to the irrational. As Calamity said, there's just some kind of vendetta against BST here. It's the same nonsense as the people who supported the nerf from TH3 to TH1 only taken one step further. As others have said it's the green-eyed monster at work. "If I can't have it no one can." When has that ever been considered a healthy stance to take on anything?

Heck they can give Autos TH5 for all I care. I'm still not going to play PUP, and I'm not going to sit around being jealous of it. Ask for what you need to be added to your job to make you better, but don't go around asking to take away what little I have just because you don't feel special enough. I'll be glad to support you on the former, but I'll fight you tooth and nail on the latter. You can call GMs on whoever you want. Even if they actually did something it still isn't going to phase me.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

@Spiritreaver
I'm verry sorry that I oppose your way of easy life. An exploid is an exploid.
And that you don't understand or don't want to understand isn't my problem or anyones else problem.
The way TH works is that it can build up by chance but maybe you should research the fact yourself with different jobs that have access to different TH levels.
And yes.. I have my data and it incudes different jobs, areas, time (monephase, day, direction) and TH equipment/abyssites/etc.
And all that data leads to the conclusion a) the BST pets have to be nerved by physical attributes or b) the added effect TH should be take away to get the balance back
In case of b) SE should add BST to the "sash" to get the player access to TH w/o /THF

Any other rant against my person will result in a direct contact with your local GM.

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Wow.

Go ahead and GM me then. The following will be a bit of a rant, though pointed squarely at your flawed and self-centered reasoning moreso than at you yourself. Impress me with your far-reaching influence over SE employees.

English is a second language for you it seems, not sorry for the assumption btw, but i understand the general point your are making. And i still call shenanigans.

Not that it matters really, but i'm THF99 and RNG97. And regardless of what jobs i have lvl'd, i have played and studied this game long enough to have a good understanding of how TH works thanks. Let me break it down for you since you seem to not grasp it.


*Treasure Hunter is a job trait that gets applied to a mob in the form of a status effect.

*To my knowledge the TH job trait is available to THF(15+), RNG(87+), BST(76+?), /THF(30+), Atma of Dread?, The TH Kupower, and when wearing the waist item in discussion.

*The TH status effect put on mobs by players has tiers that can be boosted by THF and RNG mains only.

*The TH status effect put on mobs is reset to essentially TH0 if the players contributing to the effect on the mob all get KO'd.


Thats all i got just off the top of my head. But its enough for government work i suppose.

Treasure Hunter is NOT an exploit. It is a legitimate trait put into the game by SE. An exploit is something like the Salvage dupes or the gear reselling trick in Tav. Safehold. Good rule of thumb: exploits get you banned. You don't banned for having TH as a job trait.

Your whole stance is ludicrous to begin with. You are sad and angry that do to the actions of some(and i say some because i know some BST who are great and courteous players-so its not all of them) BST who turned Neo-Dynamis into a goldmine for themselves while disrupting other non-BST players AND got on SE's radar while doing it. And again i say some, not all. Because i've seen as many, if not more players on other jobs finding ways of loading up their coffers at the expense of others as well.

So this time SE took some direct action, but in classic SE style they hit everyone in the group and not just the abusers. All BSTs got hit. And i feel for the guys that got caught up. As i've said before, BST is one of those jobs that is always messed with imo. SE is loathe add to the job in a timely manner, but quick as hell to take away from it.

That all said, let's get down to it. To prop up your woefully inadequate stance, you dragged all the other pet jobs into your little drama. That's what got me right away. Aside from having pets, DRG, SMN, and PUP are not the BST clones that your cut and dry OP would have them to be.

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Originally Posted by Ihnako

Since one of the last updates BST got take away TH3 for 2 of it's pets.
But considering that those pets still got TH1 and are the one of the better tanking pets BST still got an unfair advantage over other pet jobs who have to sacrifice abilities for TH.

So SE - there are 2 options

#1 no TH for any pet job
#2 a basic TH for every pet job

It's up to you but I think #1 is the better option

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HUH?

No other pet job has TH natively. Not a one.

And only 2 can wear that godsdamnable Tarutaru Sash, PUP and SMN. You are basing the TH1 claim on an item that is a pain in the ass to get and that is easily beaten by a swap to /THF.

In your posts after the OP you go on to try and illustrate how since the THF-job type BST jugs are such awesome tanks, the other pet jobs need TH to compete or all pet jobs need THtaken away(which is a dumb as hell statement to assert since we've seen that to be faulty logic already). To which i say again, why are you focusing on other pet jobs TH lvls? There are 11 jobs on the TT Sash. Why aren't you pushing for the other 9 jobs on it to get an increase in their base TH lvls?

Or why stop there, since you are such a staunch proponent the ever elusive "Balance"? Why not just give EVERY job some base lvl of Treasure Hunter? But you know, we could take it even further since we are on a roll.

Why not just take all the JAs and traits in the game and put them on one job? That'd be balanced right? Right!?!

And we could delete the old 20 jobs and everyone could be everything at once! Oh boy this balance thing is AWESOME!!!!

Or......you could just suck it up and deal. Change is made. You want THIII or better, you job change to THF, RNG, or /THF. Period. Pull your head from where the sun don't shine and realize TH is not the frickin' cure for cancer. It ain't Robitussin damn it!



/rant off



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Originally Posted by Ihnako

Since one of the last updates BST got take away TH3 for 2 of it's pets.
But considering that those pets still got TH1 and are the one of the better tanking pets BST still got an unfair advantage over other pet jobs who have to sacrifice abilities for TH.

So SE - there are 2 options

#1 no TH for any pet job
#2 a basic TH for every pet job

It's up to you but I think #1 is the better option

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That's a horrible suggestion. Shame on you for wanting to nerf BSTs any further.

I want SE to return TH2 to BSTs and stop this silliness once and for all. Other jobs can have TH2 if they go /thf so it's not a balance problem. Furthermore, BST is the only solo job in this game and nerfing its abilities for the sake of imaginary balance issues is just plain stupid.

Jobs should have different tricks. They shouldn't be forced into a homogenous mix of crap. If BST is a solo job then let it be 100% solo not "well I have a pet and it can kind of dd and that makes me a sort of a shitty Warrior".

Jobs should be different period. I wish people would stop complaining against individuality of the different jobs in XI.

P.S. TH2 kind of sucks when all things are considered. It's not game breaking. It's not gonna make you a lot of money. And it's not gonna make NM's drop their drop any more than it would if a THF poked at it. And really, all removing TH2 from BSTs did was make them not sub /dnc since they can get it from /thf. Wooo! Awesome SE! You made BST shittier. = =;

Idk why they nerfed Th tbh lol. It was fine the way it was, and only the desperate and impatient complained about bsts in events such as dynamis and abyssea. The job gets shit on in all categories except solo, and they take away the rewards of playing solo haha.