Victory smite nerf [dev1064]

Here, I'll put together numbers using gear I actually have vs the fake Qilin target (high def, favors crit damage more):

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Shijin:                  Smite:                   
Thew Bomblet            Thew Bomblet             
Aias Bonnet              Shura Aug (4 dex, 2% WSDmg)
Gorget                  Gorget                   
Brutal                  Brutal                   
Aesir                    Aesir                     
Tantra +2                Tantra +2                 
Ochiudo                  Heafoc                   
Rajas                    Rajas                     
Epona                    Epona                     
Atheling                Atheling                 
Warwolf                  Anguinus                 
Byakko                  Usukane                   
Tantra +2                Tantra +2

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Impetus up:
Shijin: 1661
Smite: 2078

Impetus down:
Shijin: 1595
Smite: 1680


Smite has a 25% lead with Impetus, a 5% lead without. You want stuff like Toci's Harness, Ocelomeh +1 head, Denali +5 feet, etc, to really push Shijin up past Smite. Spharai also help, with the higher base damage and heavy +att (I'm using Vere 90 for both of the above).

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Originally Posted by Motenten

Here, I'll put together numbers using gear I actually have vs the fake Qilin target (high def, favors crit damage more):

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Shijin:                  Smite:                   
Thew Bomblet            Thew Bomblet             
Aias Bonnet              Shura Aug (4 dex, 2% WSDmg)
Gorget                  Gorget                   
Brutal                  Brutal                   
Aesir                    Aesir                     
Tantra +2                Tantra +2                 
Ochiudo                  Heafoc                   
Rajas                    Rajas                     
Epona                    Epona                     
Atheling                Atheling                 
Warwolf                  Anguinus                 
Byakko                  Usukane                   
Tantra +2                Tantra +2

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Impetus up:
Shijin: 1661
Smite: 2078

Impetus down:
Shijin: 1595
Smite: 1680


Smite has a 25% lead with Impetus, a 5% lead without. You want stuff like Toci's Harness, Ocelomeh +1 head, Denali +5 feet, etc, to really push Shijin up past Smite. Spharai also help, with the higher base damage and heavy +att (I'm using Vere 90 for both of the above).

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Im going to make like 100 SS on Kaggen and 100VS with 95 Veret and Spharai. All with Impetus and berserk and etc beside champion drink. Best I can get at test server is dex+61 (Pipilaka belt instead of 10DEX one, Love torque instead of gorget, af2+2 feet instead of athos, af2+2 gloves instead of Hachiryu, Osode instead of ???, thunder pearl and 7 dex ring instead of +4 and +8 earring/ring, thew bomblet instead of demonry) its not perfect but have a little more str and att than perfect SS set and only like 25DEX less.

So far avg SS is 1470 and I need to go on real server for some event so will go with it later.

Btw Im pretty sure your SS set is not even close to optimal Motenten.
Should be Shura for both. Even Osode should be better than Body +2 for SS even w/o augment. There is +10 dex belt instead of warwolf. Athos boots instead of af2+2 or Tantra+2(lol) and probably +4 dex earring instead of aesir.

Giving up 25 Dex for more attack is a loss of 21 base damage on a multihit WS with Stalwart's, Berserk, and an attack bonus so it's going to have an impact.

I realize it's a matter of circumstance, but it will bring your numbers down.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Giving up 25 Dex for more attack is a loss of 21 base damage on a multihit WS with Stalwart's, Berserk, and an attack bonus so it's going to have an impact.

I realize it's a matter of circumstance, but it will bring your numbers down.

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I know but this number its easy to calculate if you know how much more % of base damage that would give me so you can just add that to my avg when I done.

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Btw Im pretty sure your SS set is not even close to optimal Motenten.
Should be Shura for both. Even Osode should be better than Body +2 for SS even w/o augment. There is +10 dex belt instead of warwolf. Athos boots instead of af2+2 or Tantra+2(lol) and probably +4 dex earring instead of aesir.

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1) I know it's not close to optimal. I said as much: it's based on gear I actually have, on the basis that most people don't have optimal SS gear sets if they've focused more on Smite up until now. It was to show you that if you don't have a specifically optimized SS gear set it's not at all surprising that Smite will outdo it.

2) I only have an NQ augmented Shura head (been lying in storage for years) that I got to play around with, and it's only the second sky piece I've ever bothered augmenting (first was Genbu's Shield). Compared to Aias, it's -3 str, -4 dex, +2% WSDmg. The lower str and dex means a loss of 3 to 5 base damage compared to Aias. Where the weaponskill will have a ~200-250 base damage to start, it's entirely possible that the +WSDmg will not make up for the lack of stats.

3) Forgot to check Osode. It's indeed slightly better, giving Shijin 1606 without Impetus and 1675 with.

4) Part of the gear choices were because the fake Qilin target also stresses accuracy (eg: Smite using Anguinus instead of a str belt). So, for example, the +acc on Tantra+2 feet, when combined with the str, was more valuable than the 5 dex of Aurore feet, and such (though in that case, even if I took acc out of the equation, Aurore are only about 5 points ahead). Athos are indeed better, but as per point #1, I don't have them, so they're not included in this little comparison.

There is an ah alternative to athos for as much dex, ocemoleh head and body are easy to gather. AF2+2 feet is likely better than both is not fstr capped.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

There is an ah alternative to athos for as much dex, ocemoleh head and body are easy to gather. AF2+2 feet is likely better than both is not fstr capped.

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Well Athos is 10DEX and 3 dex is 2.55 base damage. 7STR is 1.75 base damage. Ofc they can also both be 2 base damage after rounding but in pure comparison Athos's are better.

It also gives attack. When doing math against 500 def mobs af2+2 didn't win but I assumed 150 str which is only possible with minuet and boost str.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

It also gives attack. When doing math against 500 def mobs af2+2 didn't win but I assumed 150 str which is only possible with minuet and boost str.

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well it give 3-4 att but athos gives 1-2acc. Its close but there is a chance that 3 dex can give you 3 base damage and 7 STR only 1 base damage. This chance is small but exist :)

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Originally Posted by Cursed

don't doubt a 99Pup's with a Lv.95 KKK ability to humble all mnks.
its easier to swallow if you're prepared with the reality of just how bad ass KKK is.

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I thought so after realising SP was about as good as VS but then I checked KKK and PUP MA trait on the test server and it seems that some idiots have been spreading bullshit for a while about base trait values. I'm getting 5.0 tp per hit without weapon or store TP. I wonder if they are actually correct for MNK.