Anyone actually gotten Gravity II, yet?

Not happy with a Tier II gravity spell the way it is due to resistance by End game content. We want more purpose in our enfeeble's in this department. Not hating on you Camate, you do a good job for us all, but it's not wise to poke the RDM bee's nest. A few of us are rabid in here.

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Originally Posted by Camate

...yes, that was exactly my plan. (??)

Actually I was just trying to offer what information I could provide, sorry if this was knowledge that the whole player-base knew.

In any event, I will continue to deliver your feedback to the development team on the ways to enhance the useability of this spell.

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First off stand up for yourself. Why would you even post this? We are all tired of hearing/seeing the same summary of shenanigans over and over. I just don't understand why you would set yourself up for this. It's an insult to not only the community but yourself.

I'm just baffled as to why RDM's arsennel of strongest spells is limited by our level 75 merits. BLM doesnt use AMII anymore because they have Tier-5 and -ja spells. RDM's best debuffs are still Dia III, Paralyze II and Slow II. No other job in FFXI is restrained by their merits as much as RDM. That's like making giving PLD/SCH/RDM Cure 5 and making WHM's only unique cure spell- Cure VI a merit spell. WHM has many, many Cure spells which other mages cannot cast. RDM as the master of enfeebling has so few unique enfeebling spells compared to WHM which is the master of healing magic but has dozens of healing spells RDM cannot use.

RDM ought to get the following spells:
Posion III
Poison IV
Dia IV
Diaga II
Paralyze III
Slow III
Bio IV
Haste II(Because anyone can sub RDM and get Haste)
Regen III
Dispel II(Removes several enhancement statuses based on enfeebling skill, up to 4 or 5)


If your argument is "we don't want to add spells like Dia IV because that would make RDM merit spells like Dia III not as worthwhile" my reply is then why did you give BLM tier5 Elemental Magic which is stronger than AM II and -aja spells? RDM needs a serious enfeebling magic update if you won't bother to grant us Cure 5(meanwhile WHM gets high level enfeebling despite being a 'healing magic specialist'(Addle) but our last curative spell was learned at 48(Cure IV).

Maybe since SCH has been made into a Regen(healing over time) specialist, can you make RDM a DoT specialist and give us stronger tiers of Poison/Bio and make us specialize in preventing damage taken with spells like Stoneskin II/Phalanx III.

How about a debuff that lower a target's magic evasion and magic defense(no we will not bother to melee a target to use death blossom because it's cumbersome and we will die and it doesn't last long and we change weapons frequently so we lose TP)

I'm guessing a big reason SE wants to make sure almost every NM/HNM is immune to gravity is so they can't all be kite soloed... so how about this: on big mobs like that (VW, HNM, legion, or whatever) make it so grav can still land, but the weigh down effect doesn't do anything, just the eva down.

I'd assume from a dev point of view this idea would be much harder to implement than it sounds, especially with such an old school coded game, but if it IS possible, i think it would be reasonable. but simply saying all high level NMs must be immune to all enfeebs for the sake of "balance" is ridiculous. if that's the standpoint that SE feels they must stand by then you may as well take rdm out of the game or completely redo the job

You know it's like Break. Another broken spell that's more of a Sleep 1/2 Than a actually petrify spell.

It has a short Duration

Breaks after the first hit

And is no where near as potent as the Mob version.

I only use it as a alt when both sleep's are down. Wouldn't it make more sense if it scaled with enfeebling and broke after a set amount of damage was caused? Or just have a set amount of time before it wore?

Edit: You know maybe it's just me, but maybe Camate just Troll us on here to get current feed back rolling. Sneaky devil.

There are countermeasures against kite soloing things like Voidwatch NMs anyway:

-You may kite solo but you're gonna have a hard time killing it in 30 minutes as RDM, these mobs have over 150k+ HP.
-Staggering is going to be troublesome, so the chances of you acquiring gear will be hard.
-Back about 7 years ago SE implemented a system by which anything that cons "Impossible to Gauge" builds gradual resistance to Gravity anyway so even if they remove immunity and just have the gradual resistence, we can still land it if not just for the -Evasion down which could be immensely useful for evasive NMs like Lancing Lamorok.

Make Gravity II's Evasion down split from the weight.

"Red Mage casts Gravity II. The target's evasion is impaired!" (The 'Weight' is resisted)
"Red Mage casts Gravity II. The target is weighted and evasion is impaired!" (The 'Weight is unresisted)


Similar to how Violent Flourish deals damage but doesn't always stun. i.e

Dancer uses Violent Flourish. The target takes X damage.(The stun is resisted)
Dancer uses Violent Flourish. The target takes X damage and is stunned.(The stun is unresisted)

Having mobs be immune to most of what our job specializes in is like making NMs be completely immune to only hand-to-hand damage or being completely immune to all forms of magic damage or like a mob have a zombie-aura so that anyone in '15 range cannot be healed with magic and only with potions.

There are certainly many, many instances where a RDM's main specialty has very little purpose or usefulness on end game NMs but absolutely no instances where a WHM has very little purpose. Basically WHM is an absolute must have for any event, no other job is as important, it's a staple. No other job has that kind of import. There are 10+ jobs that fulfill the role of 'damage dealer' but only 1 job that fulfills the role of 'healer'.

Amongst jobs that can enfeeble a target(including WHM, the so-called healing specialist), RDM is only slightly better than the others(A WHM/SCH can cast virtually any debuff a RDM can except Gravity or merit spells). Amongst jobs that can cure players, WHM is LEAGUES ahead of others.

thnx u for ur translation and explanation Camata, i rly appreciate this info

Thanks for verifying I wont ever need to purchase Gravity II, also for wasting a space on a tripe spell rather than something you declined due to restricted space like Barlight and Bardark Devs!

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

Hell in VW there's even a limit to how far you can venture from the planar rift location before you status is revoked.

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Yeah, at very least everything that isn't immune to wind should be very susceptible to Gravity in Voidwatch.

Honestly, all people are asking for now is to be able to have the evasion down effect land even if the movement speed part does not.