How to fix pld as tank??

With PLD's current damage resistance via gear,JAs, and spells it has very high survivability. That's why I think it would be best to lower it's overall damage resistance and give it more DD potential.

Excalibur, Almace, Burtang are all very nice swords to have. However, DD now output soo much damage compared to PLD that it's impossible for them to maintain hate. Most DD can pull hate from a PLD in 2 WSs or the DD have to greatly hold back which should not be the case.

Granted DD should not be able to go all out without pulling hate but PLD should do enough damage that the game moves away from: DD run in WS > DD run away > DD run in WS

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

Excalibur, Almace, Burtang... Aegis and Ochain

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FGSFDS
/sigh

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

FGSFDS
/sigh

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Let me guess... those are hard to get?

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

Let me guess... those are hard to get?

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Yes. Also, your post was largely garbage. Burtgang is not, in any way, shape or form a DD weapon. Excalibur can be good, but it's also far from best. And none of them are easy to get. Yes, it is time consuming. Extremely time consuming. The same as it always was. None of it was ever hard to get, so why didn't you just say "oh just get an aegis" at 75? In this case, time equals effort, because you have to be on the lookout for currency or alexandrite all the time while farming Dynamis or Salvage daily (preferably both) and then find more time to camp VNMs and get people to help you with Azdaja, and if you're stuck duoing like I am, then it is fucking hard. The VNM part was easy compared to it.

Your post basically said "you're a noob if you don't wanna invest one year of your life farming daily to obtain these items so you can play your job properly".

Also, nothing wrong with blowing your abilities at the start. PLD still has trouble capping CE quickly, unlike other jobs, and Sentinel enhances enmity gain. What other abilities do you wanna keep for later? The only useful ones to keep for certain situations are Rampart and possibly Shield Bash. Berserk, Aggressor, Warcry, Sentinel, Divine Emblem and Sepulcher you can use at any time, so why not use them at start? None of them will help you with regaining enmity in case you lost it, and the sooner you use them the sooner they'll be available again.

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

Aegis and Ochain are also not hard to obtain.

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If one needs a legendary class weapon/shield to even attempt to fill a job's primary role, then that job is broken in the worst possible way. The difficulty in obtaining them is irrelevant. Despite how things have turned out these shields are not intended for everyone, so they should not be in any way required to do one's job effectively.

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Originally Posted by Zerich

Have all of the DD's pull back on their WS' and DMG, have SATA return, and only nuke on MB's!

Fixed!

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Agree 100%

Often times it is not the fault of the PLD for loosing hate, but of the DDers or Nukers for just full attacking on everything. I see this often in pickup groups, but rarely in parties formed with friends. Thief works to keep enmity on the Paladin, DDers keep a watchful eye on enmity generation and TP feed, and Mages buff/enfeeble, and strike with a nuke at the right time.

Aside from a few specific NMs with hate resets, rarely does the Paladin actually loose the hate, and for those particular NMs, we generally don't use a Paladin as a tank XD

Don't hate the game, hate the players!

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Originally Posted by Camiie

If one needs a legendary class weapon/shield to even attempt to fill a job's primary role, then that job is broken in the worst possible way. The difficulty in obtaining them is irrelevant. Despite how things have turned out these shields are not intended for everyone, so they should not be in any way required to do one's job effectively.

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Aegis and Ochain are only really requirements for some end-game content, I've seen Paladins without these do just fine in places like Dynamis and Abyssea who now how to play the job, and have otherwise good gear and shield skill. Also, in Abyssea you have atma to offset the lack of these two shields.

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

Agree 100%

Often times it is not the fault of the PLD for loosing hate, but of the DDers or Nukers for just full attacking on everything. I see this often in pickup groups, but rarely in parties formed with friends. Thief works to keep enmity on the Paladin, DDers keep a watchful eye on enmity generation and TP feed, and Mages buff/enfeeble, and strike with a nuke at the right time.

Aside from a few specific NMs with hate resets, rarely does the Paladin actually loose the hate, and for those particular NMs, we generally don't use a Paladin as a tank XD

Don't hate the game, hate the players!

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As much as this would help PLD become more than an add-holder for current end-game events, it's just not as reasonable of a strategy to use when you're stunning and zerging the NM to paste.

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

Agree 100%

Often times it is not the fault of the PLD for loosing hate, but of the DDers or Nukers for just full attacking on everything. I see this often in pickup groups, but rarely in parties formed with friends. Thief works to keep enmity on the Paladin, DDers keep a watchful eye on enmity generation and TP feed, and Mages buff/enfeeble, and strike with a nuke at the right time.

Aside from a few specific NMs with hate resets, rarely does the Paladin actually loose the hate, and for those particular NMs, we generally don't use a Paladin as a tank XD

Don't hate the game, hate the players!

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You have no clue how enmity works.

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

Aegis and Ochain are only really requirements for some end-game content, I've seen Paladins without these do just fine in places like Dynamis and Abyssea who now how to play the job, and have otherwise good gear and shield skill. Also, in Abyssea you have atma to offset the lack of these two shields.

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You really have no clue what you are talking about, listing 2 events where pld isn't seriously needed for pretty much anything.

how to fix pld as tank?
step 1: fix damage enmity!
step 2: add mobs where you need a tank!(unzergable, high dmg/attack speed/accuracy)