Thief's knife upgrade

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I was going to say something to him, But i realized he's got RDM listed, We should pity him, at least THF still has a slim spot in any endgame, TH Whore or not.

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I updated my long outdated profile to show that I am now a WHM. Being that I am now relevant to endgame, my opinion feels much heavier already. In fact, I feel the need to displace some of that weight in this, the second of two lame threads both of which are apparently about inventory space; yet another thing that THF does better than RDM.

You win. I've had a change of heart. After staring at your sig I got all warm and fuzzy and decided that the knife definitely needs to be upgraded. Consider this post as my signature on the petition to increase the effect of the knife to placebo +2 and to redistribute the loot wealth.

OccupyUggalepih... Mic Check!!

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Originally Posted by Scribble

I updated my long outdated profile to show that I am now a WHM. Being that I am now relevant to endgame, my opinion feels much heavier already. In fact, I feel the need to displace some of that weight in this, the second of two lame threads both of which are apparently about inventory space; yet another thing that THF does better than RDM.

You win. I've had a change of heart. After staring at your sig I got all warm and fuzzy and decided that the knife definitely needs to be upgraded. Consider this post as my signature on the petition to increase the effect of the knife to placebo +2 and to redistribute the loot wealth.

OccupyUggalepih... Mic Check!!

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Don't be so sensitive,

While i admit, its really is amusing how easily you fly off the handle like that, Especially when my comment had no malicious intent behind it. RDM is truly a terrible job in need of help. You taking it personally is an unintended side effect, Though it can't be helped now.

I won't lie there was a touch of sarcasm in my statement but really now, overreact much?

I don't take any offense at all. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I flew off the handle or that I'm sensitive. I'm not mad bro. I just see more irony than sarcasm in your post.

Bottom line is that a knife that serves it's purpose doesn't need to be upgraded to a knife that serves the same purpose, especially when that purpose is inventory -1. The word of the day is prioritize.

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Originally Posted by Scribble

I don't take any offense at all. I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that I flew off the handle or that I'm sensitive. I'm not mad bro. I just see more irony than sarcasm in your post.

Bottom line is that a knife that serves it's purpose doesn't need to be upgraded to a knife that serves the same purpose, especially when that purpose is inventory -1. The word of the day is prioritize.

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The whole dramatic effect of you "Seeing the error of your ways", or "Change of heart" and what not is where i got that conclusion. Seemed awfully upset. But if you say you aren't. Who i am to disagree?

BTW, just a minor correction really, It has absolutely nothing to do with it being Inventory-1, Its the fact its a terribly gimp outdated 25 soon to be 29 levels behind weapon we are still forced to wear.

and it wouldn't even be "inv -1" seeing as how Dagger is already Inv-1, so a Ring replacing the dagger would technically be inv-0 since the Dagger would no longer be useful.

Or something.

Which, while acceptable on a job not focused around TP, Is quite unacceptable for a Melee job. It does serve it purpose, No ones debating that, Its the cost of that purpose that is in question.

We, or I and those like me, Simply believe THF as a job is giving up too much to accommodate for Treasure Hunter. SE used TH As an Excuse to not give Thief Subtle Blow. Their reasoning was "Since you melee to upgrade TH, Subtle blow is too unbalanced" (or something...?). We as a job have suffered due to Treasure Hunter. Its both a Gift, and a Curse. The Trait keeps us alive endgame, But also kills us in the same regard.

We're asking for just 1 Nail in the Coffin (Thief's Knife Hit to our DPS) to be removed. Really not that much of a problem is it?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

The whole dramatic effect of you "Seeing the error of your ways", or "Change of heart" and what not is where i got that conclusion. Seemed awfully upset. But if you say you aren't. Who i am to disagree?

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Sarcasm.

Addendum to your correction:

Thief's Knife was outdated long before level cap increase. It's never been a great weapon for a thief.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

so a Ring replacing the dagger would technically be inv-0 since the Dagger would no longer be useful

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C'mon now, simple math...

1 - 1 + 1 = ?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

We're asking for just 1 Nail in the Coffin (Thief's Knife Hit to our DPS) to be removed. Really not that much of a problem is it?

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No, it isn't that much of a problem. I'm guessing you'll probably see one at 99.

Unless it's being required by your LS, thieves are gimping their dps of their own accord. It's a choice you make to sacrifice your personal dps for an increase in drop rate. You yourself say that you "Give up too much for Treasure Hunter" so obviously you feel that the value of TH isn't worth it. Why bother?

I don't see how anyone could come in here and argue against TK being fixed / replaced other than just wanting to piss off thieves. There is really no downside to it. It would hurt no one.

I'd rather see TH5-10 fixed first, personally. As is, the difference is so minute that it rarely makes a difference at all, let alone one that is worth the loss in kill speed.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I don't see how anyone could come in here and argue against TK being fixed / replaced other than just wanting to piss off thieves. There is really no downside to it. It would hurt no one.

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I agree, but there really isn't any upside to it either. There are already other weapons you can(and should) use to increase your DPS.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I don't see how anyone could come in here and argue against TK being fixed / replaced other than just wanting to piss off thieves. There is really no downside to it. It would hurt no one.

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i'm mad that my ptd sword doesn't out dd my almace

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Originally Posted by Scribble

I agree, but there really isn't any upside to it either. There are already other weapons you can(and should) use to increase your DPS.

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That have Treasure hunter +1?!? wow!!!! This is great news. Oh... wait..... your just a troll.

The upside is that people get their Placebo hunter +1 and I don't have to deal with a crappy dagger to do it. It's pretty clear by the heated debates, that this thing annoys the crap out of a lot of people. In all of the pages thus far, I have yet to see anyone post a reason against it that didn't boil down to "I just don't want thieves to have their cake and eat it too".