Test Server Feedback - Dark Knight

Shameless bump.


I see posts in the Dancer Forum and even the Beast Master forums, for POLLS, AND 'WE WANT YOUR FEEDBACK'.



....This issue didn't go away, just because people were polite and shut up for a few days hoping that after you fixed the terrible idea that was Bully.

That you'd fix the terrible mess that is Dark Knight Scarlet Delirium too.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

In all honesty.

Stun > Scarlet Delirium.


Lv. 37 move > Lv. 95


I'm seeing a very common recurring theme with DRK, the higher level we get the more our crap stinks.

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Seems to be the case with half the jobs in the game lately, actually.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Seems to be the case with half the jobs in the game lately, actually.

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Naw Drk is pretty bad, aside from being the worst DD in the game, our uniqueness is crap, we have a bad 2hr, our niche in group set-ups have vanished, and we get crap abilities shoved down our throat. You really cant compare to many jobs to us

DRK doesn't have it bad at all from what I can tell. It is roughly in the same situation as all the other 15 jobs that doesn't fit into the "I can tank and DD" WAR / MNK class or "I can heal" WHM class or "I can march/scherzo" BRD class or "I can cover lots of grellow" BLM class.

It isn't near suffering the same stuff as SMN for sure. Like "Is a defensive tank support job, that sucks so much nobody puts you in a tank party" or "Has cure V, but will never be considered a healer anyway" or "Has a lot of spare time to melee, but always kept away from melee gear" not to mention "When pet gear is added, SMN is not on them just because it would make too much sense" or the classic "Expected to use /WHM to heal because the rest of the job is so poor".

Enough derailing, but you should get my point. DRK may be weak compared to other jobs, but it isn't like your melee job is not considered a melee. It would be much worse if people said DRK is a BLM job, because their melee is not worth it, only their nukes. Or if it was "Sub /WHM and heal DRKs! Your jobs sucks and /WHM is better!". Or why not "Don't use G Sword or Scythe, those weapons sucks. Use daggers or clubs instead".

Until you are down to those levels, I don't see the reason to worry. You are a DD focused on G Sword and Scythe that gets to play exactly as you were intended to play. I have a WHM in my LS who just loves playing DRK that he recently leveled. Perhaps being a WHM helps you stop caring about your damage numbers and just say "Hey, this is better than my other job".

Ah, autumn. The time of year when the leaves begin to change, a slightly sweet smell fills the air in all forests, woodland animals begin to store food away, and Mellowy's complaints about Summoner are expressed in more creative ways.

Nature is a thing of beauty and mystery.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

DRK doesn't have it bad at all from what I can tell. It is roughly in the same situation as all the other 15 jobs that doesn't fit into the "I can tank and DD" WAR / MNK class or "I can heal" WHM class or "I can march/scherzo" BRD class or "I can cover lots of grellow" BLM class.

It isn't near suffering the same stuff as SMN for sure. Like "Is a defensive tank support job, that sucks so much nobody puts you in a tank party" or "Has cure V, but will never be considered a healer anyway" or "Has a lot of spare time to melee, but always kept away from melee gear" not to mention "When pet gear is added, SMN is not on them just because it would make too much sense" or the classic "Expected to use /WHM to heal because the rest of the job is so poor".

Enough derailing, but you should get my point. DRK may be weak compared to other jobs, but it isn't like your melee job is not considered a melee. It would be much worse if people said DRK is a BLM job, because their melee is not worth it, only their nukes. Or if it was "Sub /WHM and heal DRKs! Your jobs sucks and /WHM is better!". Or why not "Don't use G Sword or Scythe, those weapons sucks. Use daggers or clubs instead".

Until you are down to those levels, I don't see the reason to worry. You are a DD focused on G Sword and Scythe that gets to play exactly as you were intended to play. I have a WHM in my LS who just loves playing DRK that he recently leveled. Perhaps being a WHM helps you stop caring about your damage numbers and just say "Hey, this is better than my other job".

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Oh yea we don't have to worry about subbing /whm or some other subjob we don't like..... because we can't come as dark knight at all. Usually after getting a party as DRK the party leader's first question is: "So what other jobs you got? Oh you got a 68 smn? Sub whm and come as that, you can backup heal."

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Originally Posted by Zoner

Oh yea we don't have to worry about subbing /whm or some other subjob we don't like..... because we can't come as dark knight at all. Usually after getting a party as DRK the party leader's first question is: "So what other jobs you got? Oh you got a 68 smn? Sub whm and come as that, you can backup heal."

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Idiots have never been an argument for changes. Also you aren't even giving the information about what you were doing. Level 90 DRK at an exp party for merits? In that case I can understand them asking if you perhaps had a better job. Level 85 DRK at exp party? Well the leader is an idiot who thinks you are seeking exp on DRK and wants you to swap. Doing a BCNM? Well it is understandable if he wants the best jobs to make it as easy as possible. It is just easy mode people.

As I see it, DRKs are used everywhere as normal, unless the requirement is "Be the best DD", at which point you can only pick WAR or MNK, everything else is bad. Actually we use very few WAR and MNKs on voidwatch these days. We use RNGs and BLMs and SMNs for ranged DD. And since SMN sucks for triggers we usually have 2-3 rangers/cors and 2-3 BLMs, and just 1 SMN, me. Do we have DRKs? sometimes, but not usually. But we don't have SAMs either for example.

Again, you DRKs think you have it bad, but you are just ranked as terrible as the other 15 jobs that aren't best.

The smart ones of us don't want to ONLY be the best DD.

The argument that this ability is worse than bully before it was fixed to be viable.

That's incredibly bad, if you don't know.


We want useful abilities that will actually be of benefit in some sphere of the game.


In any sphere of game-play, except killing ourselves and killing our party by not stunning AoE moves.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

DRK doesn't have it bad at all from what I can tell. It is roughly in the same situation as all the other 15 jobs that doesn't fit into the "I can tank and DD" WAR / MNK class or "I can heal" WHM class or "I can march/scherzo" BRD class or "I can cover lots of grellow" BLM class.

It isn't near suffering the same stuff as SMN for sure. Like "Is a defensive tank support job, that sucks so much nobody puts you in a tank party" or "Has cure V, but will never be considered a healer anyway" or "Has a lot of spare time to melee, but always kept away from melee gear" not to mention "When pet gear is added, SMN is not on them just because it would make too much sense" or the classic "Expected to use /WHM to heal because the rest of the job is so poor".

Enough derailing, but you should get my point. DRK may be weak compared to other jobs, but it isn't like your melee job is not considered a melee. It would be much worse if people said DRK is a BLM job, because their melee is not worth it, only their nukes. Or if it was "Sub /WHM and heal DRKs! Your jobs sucks and /WHM is better!". Or why not "Don't use G Sword or Scythe, those weapons sucks. Use daggers or clubs instead".

Until you are down to those levels, I don't see the reason to worry. You are a DD focused on G Sword and Scythe that gets to play exactly as you were intended to play. I have a WHM in my LS who just loves playing DRK that he recently leveled. Perhaps being a WHM helps you stop caring about your damage numbers and just say "Hey, this is better than my other job".

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Actually the 'club' thing happens all the time, or did happen. In fact if you didn't know some would say that our job is defined by a club.

"DRK is a melee that is supposed to use Magic...sort of."
"But it also has some unique job debuffs!"
"But its really just a melee, that gets crap melee abilities."

All of these are true, SE then gives us backward job traits and parry traits.
So, I don't think you really understand how bad it is. Was. And persists into the present.

I lol when non drks go into a drk thread and say "you don't have it that bad". Last time I checked they were asking for drk feedback, not "yeah I know some guys, they play drk on occasion. Let me tell you what *I* think should happen".