Merton Vs Odin: What the hell SE?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I disagree. Giving no job anything unique and, as such, dishing out anything considered "unique traits" to every job is what would kill a game. If there's no unique aspects to any job, there's no reason to level any job but the one that does it the best. You'll lose more people that way.

One person in a thousand might level a job anyway for fun, but even for them (you) the fun would eventually wear off.

I can't say i believe you when you say you'd be perfectly content with your favorite job becoming absolutely worthless because it slowly lost all of its unique traits, But I have no way to prove it otherwise. So i must accept it. However i will remain skeptical.

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My favorite job is Corsair which already lost it's unique ability however it's still best used by Corsairs. Didn't summoners already lose their unique trait and abilities? I'm pretty sure since 2002 I could sub summoner and cast avatars, that's unique to the job.

What kills games is when one job gets something and someone else complains they want the same or better, they then get its and another job complains they want the same or even better then they suddenly start a tug-o-war of balance and why XI was one of the few MMOs that actually had decent job balance, because games like WoW their company always caved into the pressure and some jobs go from useful to near worthless every other patch because of players crying over spilled milk.

I must have missed this somewhere, but where was it said that this would be a 2HR ability?

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Originally Posted by Demonicpagan

I must have missed this somewhere, but where was it said that this would be a 2HR ability?

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In the manifesto, a spell/ability only usable under the effect of Tabula Rasa.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

My favorite job is Corsair which already lost it's unique ability however it's still best used by Corsairs. Didn't summoners already lose their unique trait and abilities? I'm pretty sure since 2002 I could sub summoner and cast avatars, that's unique to the job.

What kills games is when one job gets something and someone else complains they want the same or better, they then get its and another job complains they want the same or even better then they suddenly start a tug-o-war of balance and why XI was one of the few MMOs that actually had decent job balance, because games like WoW their company always caved into the pressure and some jobs go from useful to near worthless every other patch because of players crying over spilled milk.

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If we can learn one thing, Its the Devs feel they know whats best for each job, and our kicking our feet is never going to change their opinion or their plans for those jobs. Don't get me wrong, They listen to us on a lot of things, and I'm truly grateful.

But, i feel Its pretty much like this, They have a list of all the things they're giving each job from now, to 99, and nothing is changing that, and they won't add to it. This is my opinion, So don't worry there!

Though, truly, I would stop playing this game if no job had anything truly unique, it would be boring as hell, I might as well be playing Dynasty Warriors if i wanted to pick up a game where everyone had the same stuff. Uniqueness is what makes choosing different classes fun, and playing those different jobs.

Anyway, Carry on :)

(Don't get me wrong, Fking love Dynasty Warrior games >_> just using it as an example)

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Originally Posted by Elexia

In the manifesto, a spell/ability only usable under the effect of Tabula Rasa.

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It was said in the manifesto, but did we see the scholar use Tabula Rasa during the video? I'm okay with it either way, my SCH will get the spell and cast it happily regardless. However, unless you've seen come actual confirmation that this is the spell that activates through use of 2hr don't jump too far into it. Though this would be the spell to do that with.

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Originally Posted by Tannlore

It was said in the manifesto, but did we see the scholar use Tabula Rasa during the video? I'm okay with it either way, my SCH will get the spell and cast it happily regardless. However, unless you've seen come actual confirmation that this is the spell that activates through use of 2hr don't jump too far into it. Though this would be the spell to do that with.

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Yep it was used in the video.

don't you worry guys, once more people get hvergelmir they'll show us how sick SMN melee DPS is and they won't even need 2 hours

I happy for SCH for Merton, if it is indeed superior to a summoners 2hour/Odin, then Odin needs an adjustment on how its used, or some other mean of adjustment not said yet.

I would really like to hear something on this matter from the devs though between Merton/Odin please.

This is not Q.Q. this is just simple feedback.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

don't you worry guys, once more people get hvergelmir they'll show us how sick SMN melee DPS is and they won't even need 2 hours

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Better watch out, Dallas might actually take you sarcastic remark seriously and think that he is God again.

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Originally Posted by Soundwave

I happy for SCH for Merton, if it is indeed superior to a summoners 2hour/Odin, then Odin needs an adjustment on how its used, or some other mean of adjustment not said yet.

I would really like to hear something on this matter from the devs though between Merton/Odin please.

This is not Q.Q. this is just simple feedback.

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It is QQ. I guess if and when (seems more like when) BLM gets Death we'll have SMNs QQing that Odin is simply a 2hr and not a consistent being.