Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

Some are taking things a bit to far (I am sure they are just trolling though)

No one, not even me wants to go back to 2-3k an hour parties, and yes TtoAU and WotG did effect parties, but Abyssea made things worse, leveling from 30 to 90 (or 99) so fast does not give a person time to learn the important things about said job the right way.

You can not tell me that some one leveling something like PLD in a normal time frame, and some one leveling PLD in a week or even two, then put them both up against a big endgame mob...... who is going to preform better? the first person.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

You can not tell me that some one leveling something like PLD in a normal time frame, and some one leveling PLD in a week or even two, then put them both up against a big endgame mob...... who is going to preform better? the first person.

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Or the first person will be so used to using /war, that they suck with using /nin, and can't cast shadows worth a shit. Ffxi is not a hard game. Anyone can easily pick up a job can play it without any trouble.

To demonstrate that point, i will explain a personal example. I currently have war leveled, yet i've never played it between 38-74. Never. And i leveled it to 37 back in 2004. And yet when i suddenly had it at 75, the first party i joined, i came on the top of the parse. I had never once played the job before, and i had maybe slightly above average gear. And right from the start, with no experience playing it before, i consistently came at the top of parses in exp parties. A little research in the job, some minor thought and planning was all it took. There is nothing difficult about ffxi. Anyone can easily master a job in under a week, and perform at above 80% performance by day 1.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Some are taking things a bit to far (I am sure they are just trolling though)

No one, not even me wants to go back to 2-3k an hour parties, and yes TtoAU and WotG did effect parties, but Abyssea made things worse, leveling from 30 to 90 (or 99) so fast does not give a person time to learn the important things about said job the right way.

You can not tell me that some one leveling something like PLD in a normal time frame, and some one leveling PLD in a week or even two, then put them both up against a big endgame mob...... who is going to preform better? the first person.

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I leeched my RDM (only 1 of my 7 jobs) to 90 in Abyssea and I doubt anyone would be able to tell the difference.

Edit: What Rog said, too. PLD in particular plays nothing like EXP in Endgame.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

You can not tell me that some one leveling something like PLD in a normal time frame, and some one leveling PLD in a week or even two, then put them both up against a big endgame mob...... who is going to preform better? the first person.

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Their both doing it wrong if there on pld.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

Some are taking things a bit to far (I am sure they are just trolling though)

No one, not even me wants to go back to 2-3k an hour parties, and yes TtoAU and WotG did effect parties, but Abyssea made things worse, leveling from 30 to 90 (or 99) so fast does not give a person time to learn the important things about said job the right way.

You can not tell me that some one leveling something like PLD in a normal time frame, and some one leveling PLD in a week or even two, then put them both up against a big endgame mob...... who is going to preform better? the first person.

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I would go with the better player. It could be either one. I've met a PLD who leveled the "normal" way and another who abyssea burned it. The one who burned it didn't wipe to lolByakko every 3 minutes like the former.

wow missed my point entirely, or you just don't want to accept the other side of the argument. There is a such thing as to easy, and FFXI is getting dangerously to close to that. Abyssea need to be capped higher, and some extra EXP penalties set for people lower then level 70.

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Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe

I would go with the better player. It could be either one. I've met a PLD who leveled the "normal" way and another who abyssea burned it. The one who burned it didn't wipe to lolByakko every 3 minutes like the former.

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well there will always be bad players, no matter how long they have played, I am talking more in the general sense.

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Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe

I would go with the better player. It could be either one. I've met a PLD who leveled the "normal" way and another who abyssea burned it. The one who burned it didn't wipe to lolByakko every 3 minutes like the former.

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I've also played with a lolPLD who didn't learn Cure scrolls. ;o

It's not about PLDs anymore they are treated like Redheaded stepchildren now, its all about MNK or NIN or GTFO.

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Originally Posted by Miera

I've also played with a lolPLD who didn't learn Cure scrolls. ;o

It's not about PLDs anymore they are treated like Redheaded stepchildren now, its all about MNK or NIN or GTFO.

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Or DNC!!! /winkwinkwink.

My shell never lets me tank stuff on DNC though, always WHM. :(

these threads are so funny if u hate 1 part of the game dont participate in it form a boycott shout in juno to form regular slow xp parties. you mad cause you lonely someone else getting to 90 in day doesnt hurt you at all except you have noone to xp with in those slow areas that you love. i heard the same complaints when ppl started to love those dang colibris at 55 or 37 if u couldn't get the camp you were mad at someone who did

The biggest problem that is popping up though with abyssea leeched jobs is people won't gear swap and have no idea what stats benefit that job most etc. I have had abyssea leeched blus try to get in on +2 runs that dont have basic spells let alone proc spells and spam me with whine /tells about how I am so mean for not letting them come and lot stuff when they are pretty much useless. Same goes for leeched blms, wars w/o red procs etc. If you are going to leech, at least get the other shit you need <spells ws etc> or dont bother to /tell me to try and get in. In years of playing pre abyssea i had 2 ppl /blist, since abyssea that list has grown tenfold. I have no issue with someone going to abyssea to get 30-90, but there is more stuff involved than just dinging 90.