ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

EDIT2: Felt like I should explain the WS thing.
(40+40)*3*1.25=300
60*4.75=285
So basically, if you had the same amount of STR/Base damage/WSC/Attack for each WS, Scourge would pull ahead by a bit.

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wat. Did you just assume that you WS with an amount of CHR and MND both equal to the other's amount of STR. seriously is it the first time you calculate a WS damage ? I don't have time now but you are overly exagerating what 15% critical hit rate is giving to you. It's at best 10% damage most likely globally while the ODD from mythic will vastly overcome this. In the end empy is better for TP and WS so you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I already showed using the math scourge is better.

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I believe an actual comparison of the two WS's damage before theorycrafting.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

wat. Did you just assume that you WS with an amount of CHR and MND both equal to the other's amount of STR. seriously is it the first time you calculate a WS damage ?

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Assuming you have the same amount of STR and WS modifiers and attack Scourge pulls ahead. I fail to see how this is inherently wrong, perhaps you could explain it.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

wat. Did you just assume that you WS with an amount of CHR and MND both equal to the other's amount of STR. seriously is it the first time you calculate a WS damage ?

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He also forgot that STR and VIT come paired on a lot of items. Like say Ares body, Jinjang feet, spiral ring.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

I believe an actual comparison of the two WS's damage before theorycrafting.

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Hi, Im anon and hiding so you dunno who I am, but please believe me when I say my friend and I went out and did very good testing and it was all accurate and exact and torcleaver is better because I said so and have absolutely no evidence and I did not tell you what we did or what kind of gear we were using or what we were fighting or anything else, just believe it because I said so, after all, this testimony is better then what the wiki says the calculations for the ws's damage are and your crummy math cause math is astupid and 4+4=12 not 8, thanks.

This is my impersonation of you right now.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

He also forgot that STR and VIT come paired on a lot of items. Like say Ares body, Jinjang feet, spiral ring.

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Twlight mail and drk af3+2 shoes add more then the stuff you listed.
EDIT: Oh, guess I should look for a ring too.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Assuming you have the same amount of STR and WS modifiers and attack Scourge pulls ahead. I fail to see how this is inherently wrong, perhaps you could explain it.

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Except that you won't because items with large amounts of STR MND CHR and ATT in the same slot that can be worn by DRK are very rare. Off the top of my head I can only think of the twilight mail and helm and the Bale feet+2, and if you have Caladbolg you're going to be using Ares Body because +24 ATT > -3 STR and -3 VIT.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Assuming you have the same amount of STR and WS modifiers and attack Scourge pulls ahead. I fail to see how this is inherently wrong, perhaps you could explain it.

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You assumed that if, for instance you WS with 150 VIT on empy, the guy with other weapon would ws with 150 mnd and 150 chr which is horribly wrong. Secondly you are completely ignoring the fstr effect, since with a rnk 13 weapon, you get 21 fstr which you are never going to get with the relic. Lastly you ignore the benefits of the attack from the empy. If the relic is done with 100 str and the empy with 150 str you are looking at 37.5 attack difference which is nearly 10% damage already. I bet with cadalblog you can even get more str than this with attack being paired to str on various gear etc.



In the end a serious ws setup on empy would be 150 STR 150 vit, and GL getting even 150 mnd & CHR on relic. Even if you manage that, the empy has a natural 15 vit on the weapon itself which is 9 WSC, plus the ability to stack 21 fstr as well as the natural attack that comes with it...

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Except that you won't because items with large amounts of STR MND CHR and ATT in the same slot that can be worn by DRK are very rare. Off the top of my head I can only think of the twilight mail and helm and the Bale feet+2, and if you have Caladbolg you're going to be using Ares Body because +24 ATT > -3 STR and -3 VIT

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So what youre saying is you dunno what gear to use for torcleaver and Im suppose to believe you accurately tested both of these WSs with your mysterious friend who you cant even prove exists and has ragnarok?

PROTIP: 1 att and 3% triple attack is better then 1 str and 1 vit.
Even 2% TA with -2 str/vit would be better if you used NQ shadow breastplate over ares body, and both of these are assuming the only good augment you get is the max TA which requires a HQ2/3 augment which basically guarantees 2 other augments which can be things like 6 of any stat or 8 att.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You assumed that if, for instance you WS with 150 VIT on empy, the guy with other weapon would ws with 150 mnd and 150 chr which is horribly wrong. Secondly you are completely ignoring the fstr effect, since with a rnk 13 weapon, you get 21 fstr which you are never going to get with the relic. Lastly you ignore the benefits of the attack from the empy. If the relic is done with 100 str and the empy with 150 str you are looking at 37.5 attack differene which is nearly 10% damage already.

In the end a serious ws setup on empy would be 150 STR 150 vit, and GL getting even 150 mnd & CHR on relic. Even if you manage that, the empy has a natural 15 vit on the weapon itself which is 9 WSC, plus the ability to stack 21 fstr as well as the natural attack that comes with it...

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Ok do this, build actual WS sets and do the math, we'll see what comes out ahead.
I was simply pointing out that if everything is even, torcleaver does not come out ahead, if you want to argue against that at least provide what sets of gear you're using for your comparison.