Yeah they could have done nothing and let the game die QQ. Funny how cliueless people are on the fact the old ways and this balance BS the game was going via the dinosaur its the reason all those servers shutdown. Abyssea was a shot in the arm the game needed not another 8 years of praying for a drop or playing which LS has the best claim bot FTW. Yeah it wasn't perfect but neither is the game by any means...Quote:
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12-14-2011, 03:55 AMHimuraKenshyn
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12-14-2011, 05:31 AMtyrantsyn
You know what I remember about pre~abyssea:
1: Waiting around for hours on end for a party due to the fact there was no healers, no tanks, or you were on one of those jobs that didn't fit into the party role of the time. And the best you could hope for was a pity invite right as a party started to fall apart.
2: Waiting around for endless hours with 30 other guys for 1 mob to pop just to have the one guy sitting @ home running 8 players all spamming claiming programs to end up with it. And than that shinny new weapon/armor goes to some guy who's so torque out that mobs examine him when he goes by.
3: End game content you can't ever seem to get any help with. Because It was such a pain in the ass at times most ppl that have experience with it won't even consider doing it again.
4: Waiting month's to years for a drop from some end game nm that seems to know that you and 17/18 other guys are only killing him to get it. Which normally lead's to all sorts of chaos and friend ending conflict's when one finally hit the treasure pool and someone sez "So and So shouldn't be lotting because he missed last weeks run."
5: Remember soloing decent xp before abyssea, lol.
I too miss the good olde party days. Running threw the strip out canyon's of Gustaberg and the sandy beach's of Valkrum. But than I think of all the hours I spent sitting around just for a few levels a day. And the almost endless camps on things like Charybdis and I'm only too happy with the way things have changed.
If I was too make a suggestion for revamp content for nostalgic players to the Dev team it would be to re~work conquest/besiege/campaign so there would be reason to revisit older area's and take down troublesome mobs for new weapons, armor, accessories and everyone's favorite "MORE LOGS" because we can never have enough of those damn things! -
12-14-2011, 01:13 PMRitsuka
you know the ppl that bit#$ about no party invites why don't you just make a party it isnt hard. If you dont want too and wonna wait days for an invite then don't bit@# that you didn't get an invite~
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12-14-2011, 01:26 PMFrankReynoldslol ok, I'll just hop in the delorean and head back to 2006.Quote:
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12-14-2011, 01:30 PMLuvbunnyThe old ways of party set up required you have xyz jobs, yes you can get creative with some of the jobs combo and force people to go out of their comfort zones (example: 2 thieves, 2 dancers, blm and rdms can easily kill bats or mobs that are weak to dagger and require no tanks, sata back to back to both dancers). Most people won't do this, easier to do the normal set up, hence even if you make your own party, it may take you another 30-60 mnts to find the right jobs. 6 melees may not last fighting IT mobs, and if you chain kill tough - very tough mobs, half your groups will leave, even if that method is entirely doable. Leveling was a big chore in the past, everything in the game was a big chore - people will only put up with this for so long. Abyssea rewards pretty much everyone who is willing to put some time - not everything is handed out to you, you still have to work for some of them - but yes it also has its own share of problems. But this problems are mostly "people's problems" (lack of knowledge of the jobs and not even want to research, test, or put some time to play the job correctly).Quote:
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12-15-2011, 06:26 AMdragoon_apprentice
leveling parties of 6 people were my favorite thing in the game. I spent most of my time doing that, until i wanted better gear for endgame. Then i joined big LS, most of which would mess with me with their over inflated point systems, making me follow the blackmages around on corsair and always having more points for the items i really wanted regardless of how many i had managed to save. I would take breaks from the game, coming back trying desperately to get some decent gear from a sky or NM camping ls, wasting hours of time standing in a spot for items pretty much all of which i didnt get to lot.
Its this sort of thing, which makes me not miss the old style of play compared to abyessea, but..
with abyessea, all of my hard earned time i spent leveling so many jobs in parties of 6, waiting for parties, making them, learning game mechanics and enjoying the slow progress of the game simply turns into a few months of me watching people sit either afk earning multiple levels by the hour and/or opening boxes with keys in order to level insanely fast.
People still do much of the same things they used to, after they get empy weapons and what have you, there is still a good chance they will get bored and not care or ditch LSs when it is now your turn to farm. This creates a never ending supply of new recruits to be KI holders, pullers, and healers, trying to get somethign out of it until they either get fed up and leave quickly, or stay just long enough to get what they want and vanish. Not that people dont stick around still for friendships and playtime after they get what they want; ffxi is a great community with some relatively friendly people, compared to many other more casual games.
The game hassort of turned into a giant farmville. Lets go farm empys, or +2, or items from VW. great! i got it! now what do i do. Does there happen to be a new zone i can explore or new mobs i can take down with my friends with out worrying about procing something? And by the way, reusing an old zone is bad enough, we can stand it i guess though, but does it have to become the norm?
Can i just enjoy the fight, with my aftermath ws, getting back to mechanics of actaully being able to fight the mob. Not being worried about TP feed because 40 people are on one mob, eccessive 1 shots unless i have temps on, procing some stupid ability midfight takeing all the wind out of my sails, doing 5k dmg in one zone with a ws or spell that does 900 dmg in another.
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why are certain aftermath weaponskills weaksauce? camlann's torment almsot made me quit when i got it. why? why??? does this suck so bad. The idea of people spamming the same ws over and over for years and being amazed and motivated by the damage number they put out during the ws was effectively slapped in the face by abyessea. Now SE doesnt know what to do with their new weaponskills they jsut made, because some of the old ones are too powerful alraedy. I was so happy when i got chante du cynge and almace. That is why i came back to ffxi, b/c i thought i had a decent shot at a weapon that was somewhat like a relic weapon (a relic i wanted but it was something simply too hard for me to care about). It has its own unique weapon skill, i can take it and use it outside abyessea in the normal vanadiel, much like a relic user finally got to take his unique relic ws out of dynamis and show it off.
The fun was getting to take your unique weapon and go kill some monsters with it. Now its like you need one to even get into a party to go sit procing something. Getting VW parties on empy blu with all spells is easy as being a cor seeking for a merit party back in the day. But i dont ENJOY sitting in one spot scrolling thru the magic list casting random spells. Do u think people will continue to pay to do that stuff, especially when the random element is brought back into it so heavily with these boxes?
procing annoys me, but at least it helps get things done faster. Abyessea lets people at least make progress in some form or another. Yes in many regards linkshell leaders still have an obligation to be fair to the members and divy up points correctly and show up to lead people. At this point starwars looks attractive to many, as many games do to ffxi fans over the years. I am sure many people are similar and go thru cycles and stop playing ffxi to try other games, see that the other mmo is not as good, then come back.
ff14 was a disaster, so were many other new mmos. The thing is, starwars is threatening the vary foundation of this game, and WoW, among others. That game will probably be at least decent, and not flop due to oversights like server lag, stupid undertested concepts, and lack of content.
I love ffxi, because it is hard to play. I want it to be hard again, while im playing it. I dont want it to be hard to proc, or a hard drop to get. I want the monsters to be hard and fun to fight, like they used to be. I dont feel like killing 5 monsters in 5 seconds all the time, and having to watch my ~~~ruuubbbyyy~~ . ZOMG DONT RUBY, we are farming moer and more and more ki for more and more and more empy for more and more and mroe people.
Dont feel like watching out for stupid lights all night? oh, there really isnt much content outside of abyessea, cept more procing and slim chances at whatever randomly falls from the box. No cumulation of who put the most effort in the teamwork over time, just random. For other people its either this, or be left at the mercy of some guy's integrity. and that guy is probably only a few years older than you are, and hes telling you what to do every night, and possibly getting much more out of the deal than you are. This is how the game always worked i guess.
And by the way, every minute you dont spend doing something in abyessea, save for making money another way, you are losing money standing around. converting crour into gil is easy for people, and really easy for those who simply bought a second account, gaining twice the number of crour as others effectively making their time worth twice as much. Leveing this mule took 5 seconds because of abyessea as well. Maybe not everyone that plays this game feels like paying SE 24 dollars a month to do something i could have fun doing with a couple people. but becuase of minkins and other stuff like it, dual boxing characters have this distinct advantage. NO SE, i wont buy a mule. i thought about it, hell i even have the name jiin stored. The game simply is not fun enough for me while i farm empys or +2 for other people in abyessea or go proc stuff to justify me paying that much and constantly picking up another controller or pressing alt+ tab all the time. I want to play my jobs, i want to fight mobs lol.
And BTW, ty for making camlann's torment suck for no reason really. jishnu radiance does over 10k from some people, and this ws camlann's is arguably the worst dmg empy ws there is. Id be more exicited about stardiver if it ambered mobs or somthing, make more ws ruby, we need more ruby. Imo i'm not sure you could put any more time and effort into not letting me spam a ws that i want to, be it because it has bad dmg or i will ruby a mob because it kills it in 1 shot, on a job that is meant to spam weapon skills, in the one zone type that has decent combat content that flows (not proc and temp item spam). And then you have the reverse, blu being so rediculously over powered inside with the eccessive stuns self skill chains aoe sleeps massive aoe power amazing crit ws, everyone wants you to do everything and never play another job again. Darn, i feel like playing drg, not pld, not rdm, not blu atm. I can use empy ws outside abyessea, how about letting my use atmas too? yea voidwatch gets atmas. who cares? Thats during voidwatch status. How about just making every high level normal mob aroudn vanadiel mob balanced to abyessea standards and then adding more hard ones that require atmas to take down, b/c ur too weak to do it otherwise, or something? just leave the procing for inside abyssea. Introduce the atmas for outside, lose the procs maybe.
yes im a bit negative. dont get me wrong, i like ffxi, and ill keep playing. it is definately going through a strange period however. people who have most of what they want in abby are tired of seeing people leech and get tons of +2 for doing minimal effort. They want out. They want something new. They want to team up with other long time veterans, be it the decent people to the insanely good with no life people, and start to take monsters down together again. Fights maybe where things happen? one mob dies, 3 more appear? omg its not just 1 monster that we proc and it dies, or we dont proc and it dies, or a few that we sleep or aoe and they die. Can we get a little rythm to the action maybe, new kinds of teamwork, a new inventory system, a new drop system, and new weapon skills that we can improve over time if we want to, because we like the way they look and are very tired of starting at the same ws for years? oh sorry, i forgot i got camlann's. wait, oh yea. i get laughed at by pretty much everyone if i use that twice in a row. its bad enough using it once.
pros, and cons, to both sides of abyessea vs the oldschool game. but thats just me.
i <3 u tho SE, and ffxi
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12-15-2011, 06:32 AMJackstin
Dude, in the time it took you to write all that you could have got an empyrean o_O
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12-15-2011, 06:35 AMdragoon_apprentice
hehheh. yea probably. im so bored
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12-16-2011, 01:00 AMFrankReynolds
Starting your own party does nothing for you when there is no one seeking. XPing wasn't nearly as popular bacck when xp sucked, and many people only bothered to level a few jobs.
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12-16-2011, 05:59 AMHimuraKenshynThe game was moving to life support getting low level parties already was a pain in the a$$ on many worlds and peeps just had a few jobs at cap and wouldn't dream about leveling another before abyssea. Now they added Abyssea, FOV and GOV and they are perfect for solo, low man teams or full alliances something SE done right lol. Yeah most peeps in many shells started to look elsewhere for fun and Abyssea brought huge numbers of friends I haven't seen in years back to the game what a FAILURE LMAO!!!! So out of touch with this generations player base they have TONS of choice back in the day not so much and the new devs want to go throw back they done lost they freakin minds imho...Quote:
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