ATTN: Dev/Comm. Rep -Relic & Mythic Weapons Reborn {Yes, Please}- レリックとミシックの強化

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Honestly I think your are trying a little too hard. I think you are a little butthurt about being unable to get a level 85 empyrean prior to chirstmas for one. For two, I think you are posting here in a crusade to attempt to convince someone (with no maths obviously, because like all BG trolls you suck to much at modelling game a DPS ; because it's obvious, at least for verethragna, that it is "vastly" [to use your previous terms] superior to relic at any time) that all Relics but one can be better than mythic, so that SE doesn't eventually buff relic and so that they don't make your precious empyrean that took you forever to get worthless.

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That's the vibe I'm getting too. The real audience for his crusade isn't us it's the devs.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

By using an example that is completely irrelevant in today's FFXI. If the application has no real use it may as well not exist. Defense does not matter anymore, not since WHM ascended to a higher plane of existence. Unless it can outright kill you in one hit a WHM makes you essentially unkillable.

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WHMs outside abyssea usually don't have unlimited MP. As far as irrelevant goes, here's some voidwatch info from today!

Ok so, gear: N legs+1 are 6 acc 3 crit rate. This is my general I have no idea how much dex a mob has, outside abyssea ukkos build.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/wargrz.jpg
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/218925 -TP set, except Agasayas collar instead of ravager gorget.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/217121 -WS set

Mobs: T1-3 Windy Voidwatch mobs.
Acc was about 80% total, Ukkos average 1300~
Didnt use food. Random funny log Screenshots:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u1.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u2.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u3.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u4.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u5.jpg

Bravura would of given me 30 acc, or 15% hit rate, or 15% damage, however you want to look at it, as well as hitting for the same amount of damage using the same gear, but only doing around 1000-1200 average for WSs, plus I probably wouldn't of died with bravura twice when I pulled hate and was playing my WHM for 5 seconds and couldnt switch to my PDT set. Bravura beats Ukon for this type of stuff, in damage done to mobs and in reducing damage taken, I can provide more SS's of all the other mobs if people really want to see them too~

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

Didnt use food.

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Of course you didn't because that favors Bravura.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Of course you didn't because that favors Bravura.

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Wouldn't that be worse for Ukon?

Technically for Ukon, He'd of been using Pizza (I assume, to cap accuracy/small attack boost), Where as for Bravura, He could use Red Curry Bun. I assume he used no food on both tests, however i'm sure he'd retest it if needed.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Technically for Ukon, He'd of been using Pizza (I assume, to cap accuracy/small attack boost), Where as for Bravura, He could use Red Curry Bun.

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This is exactly the point, didnt use food to prove my acc was bad. Ukon = pizza, Bravura = red curry, which tips the scales even more in Bravuras favor. But the acc issue is one of the main things that make Bravura better which is what I said in my original post about it.

EDIT: ACC was fine on T1s (capped or close), was not bad til T2/3.
EDIT2: Monks acc on Vampire guy was like 50% lol, go go 1 handed weapons.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

WHMs outside abyssea usually don't have unlimited MP. As far as irrelevant goes, here's some voidwatch info from today!

Ok so, gear: N legs+1 are 6 acc 3 crit rate. This is my general I have no idea how much dex a mob has, outside abyssea ukkos build.
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/wargrz.jpg
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/218925 -TP set, except Agasayas collar instead of ravager gorget.
http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/217121 -WS set

Mobs: T1-3 Windy Voidwatch mobs.
Acc was about 80% total, Ukkos average 1300~
Didnt use food. Random funny log Screenshots:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u1.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u2.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u3.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u4.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c243/r5n/u5.jpg

Bravura would of given me 30 acc, or 15% hit rate, or 15% damage, however you want to look at it, as well as hitting for the same amount of damage using the same gear, but only doing around 1000-1200 average for WSs, plus I probably wouldn't of died with bravura twice when I pulled hate and was playing my WHM for 5 seconds and couldnt switch to my PDT set. Bravura beats Ukon for this type of stuff, in damage done to mobs and in reducing damage taken, I can provide more SS's of all the other mobs if people really want to see them too~

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LOL. You posted SSs from the highest level THF mob in the game with no food. I've fought that thing on DRG and my acc was miserable. If you had 80% acc on that thing then the 35 acc on Bravura is superfluous on everything else in the game. As for the death shot you died cause no one cured you. There's 4 melee attacks a silencga and 2 TP moves in there before you even start to cast cure on yourself.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

LOL. You posted SSs from the highest level THF mob in the game with no food. I've fought that thing on DRG and my acc was miserable. If you had 80% acc on that thing then the 35 acc on Bravura is superfluous on everything else in the game. As for the death shot you died cause no one cured you. There's 5 melee attacks a silencga and a TP move in there before you even start to cast cure on yourself.

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All the high tier voidwatch mobs have evasion like this. Not just this one. And ya, Im lousy at curing myself and I die a lot.
Also, I said 80% overall, only counting the vampie guy my acc would of been lower.

They absolutely have nowhere near that things evasion. I've fought them all.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

They absolutely have nowhere near that things evasion. I've fought them all.

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Then you should know that you have to use a bunch of acc gear or sacrifice food. And while the Vampire may in have the highest evasion in the game (I have no idea) I can say for certain that I had lots of acc issues on many other Voidwatch mobs too, this is just what I was doing today.

I don't know what to tell you man. T1-3 minus the Vamp are all really easy imo and I have seen them absolutely destroyed by Ukons once lights are capped. The only T4 that has any kind of evasion at all is the Harpy but because of the AoE melee attacks you can't even TP on it anyway. Your window of Bravura superiority is so small it's almost non-existent.