Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

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Originally Posted by Ang

Proposed damage ratings are still too low... Buramenk'ah is still 9 points higher than Excalibur.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Yes, but the issue is, if R/M/E aren't the best, and are only comparable, and Delve weapons take considerably less time to do for a better reward, then why bother with R/M/E at all?

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not having the higher base dmg doesn't mean they aren't the best.

Relic have hidden procs, add effects, aftermath, relic WS DMG bonus (not always good, but that not new)
Empy have ODD AM
Mythic have OAT, JA bonus
RME are < delve boss weapon, not the 30k plasm one and we don't know how "easy" they are to get

R/M/E weapons would need a major boost in damage to compete with the new weapons. New weapons have higher base damage, acc, atk, and some have other stats like haste/crit. With these added stats, R/M/E need to be increased to a point that they have at least 30~60 DMG base higher to still be the best of the best. Anything less just throws salt in the players wound after spending weeks or months or years getting these weapons. The new director of FFXI needs to learn a few things about FFXI and us players. We like a challenge but we WILL NOT STAND FOR getting our hard work and money thrown away on his stupid ideas. I did not make emps or relics or anything to have them become useless and I'm sure every person with an R/M/E feels the same.

SE, you need to think if you want to stay afloat as a company, you better start THINKING! At this rate, if I leave FFXI, I will never buy a game from your company again and I have almost all FF games from 5 and up to 12. Open your eyes dev team! LISTEN TO US AND DO NOT SAY WE DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT WOULD BE TO DO THINGS OR HOW THE GAME WORKS!!!! MOST OF US HAVE BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN YOU HAVE SO STFU AND LEARN FROM THOSE THAT KNOW THE GAME AND KNOW WHAT WE WANT!!!! Its that simple... LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERS! They are the ones that PAY FOR YOUR JOB!!! Without us, you have nothing. End of the line for your job. If you enjoy what you do, then start listening to what we say and DOING IT! Don't shoot yourself in the foot because your not using what you have in your head and thinking about it... Players will start to leave if you don't fix this within the month. Some have already left. FFXI will die in the next few months if changes aren't made and the person running the show doesn't stop destroying our game. SE may have made this game, but it has become OURS over the years. I don't care what the terms of use say, it is the players game. We are all loyal fans but I don't think we will put up with this BS for long.

Jesus people are still whining in here and threatening to cancel their subscriptions, as if anyone gives a damn? Grow the hell up, seriously... my faith in this community plummeted as soon as I started reading these threads.

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

Jesus people are still whining in here and threatening to cancel their subscriptions, as if anyone gives a damn? Grow the hell up, seriously... my faith in this community plummeted as soon as I started reading these threads.

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Imagine you spent 2 years working on a PC, keeping it up to date, you have all of the latest things on this PC and you feel really great about it. Now imagine that tomorrow they release a new PC into the market with everything you have in yours, but upgraded so much that its almost twice as good as your current PC, and it costs 1 10th of your PC's original cost not counting all of the work put into it since. You would be furious probably, you spent all of that time, effort, and money, on making yourself an amazing PC, only for them to release this new one which out dates your own in every way with a much lower cost. The kind of feel is similar to how all level 99 RME owners feel, all of that time spent on a weapon that without warning was instantly surpassed by far in only a couple updates.

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Originally Posted by Firesong

R/M/E weapons would need a major boost in damage to compete with the new weapons. New weapons have higher base damage, acc, atk, and some have other stats like haste/crit. With these added stats, R/M/E need to be increased to a point that they have at least 30~60 DMG base higher to still be the best of the best. Anything less just throws salt in the players wound after spending weeks or months or years getting these weapons. The new director of FFXI needs to learn a few things about FFXI and us players. We like a challenge but we WILL NOT STAND FOR getting our hard work and money thrown away on his stupid ideas. I did not make emps or relics or anything to have them become useless and I'm sure every person with an R/M/E feels the same.

SE, you need to think if you want to stay afloat as a company, you better start THINKING! At this rate, if I leave FFXI, I will never buy a game from your company again and I have almost all FF games from 5 and up to 12. Open your eyes dev team! LISTEN TO US AND DO NOT SAY WE DON'T KNOW HOW HARD IT WOULD BE TO DO THINGS OR HOW THE GAME WORKS!!!! MOST OF US HAVE BEEN AROUND LONGER THAN YOU HAVE SO STFU AND LEARN FROM THOSE THAT KNOW THE GAME AND KNOW WHAT WE WANT!!!! Its that simple... LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERS! They are the ones that PAY FOR YOUR JOB!!! Without us, you have nothing. End of the line for your job. If you enjoy what you do, then start listening to what we say and DOING IT! Don't shoot yourself in the foot because your not using what you have in your head and thinking about it... Players will start to leave if you don't fix this within the month. Some have already left. FFXI will die in the next few months if changes aren't made and the person running the show doesn't stop destroying our game. SE may have made this game, but it has become OURS over the years. I don't care what the terms of use say, it is the players game. We are all loyal fans but I don't think we will put up with this BS for long.

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OMG, I have 2 relics and I do not feel like you do..

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Originally Posted by RushLynx

Jesus people are still whining in here and threatening to cancel their subscriptions, as if anyone gives a damn? Grow the hell up, seriously... my faith in this community plummeted as soon as I started reading these threads.

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Don't worry, nobody cares about your opinion either.

REMs holders used to keep a lot of events alive (Dynamis, Voidwatch, Aht Urgan's battlefields) and now that they released new weapons all those events were killed in a single update.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Imagine you spent 2 years working on a PC, keeping it up to date, you have all of the latest things on this PC and you feel really great about it. Now imagine that tomorrow they release a new PC into the market with everything you have in yours, but upgraded so much that its almost twice as good as your current PC, and it costs 1 10th of your PC's original cost not counting all of the work put into it since. You would be furious probably, you spent all of that time, effort, and money, on making yourself an amazing PC, only for them to release this new one which out dates your own in every way with a much lower cost. The kind of feel is similar to how all level 99 RME owners feel, all of that time spent on a weapon that without warning was instantly surpassed by far in only a couple updates.

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Hm... I think that analogy doesn't quite work too well since computer technology goes forward at the speed it does. Getting the latest and greatest parts are outdone and overpriced very soon indeed, while the middle-ground is usually the most sensible place to be.

If one didn't expect new things coming out, sure, they would probably be furious, which is more or less what happened here with the weapons in question.
I don't see that happening with computer parts which are known to rather quickly be replaced on the market. It's not that I don't get what you're saying, but I think these things don't quite compare.

Well, that's of course just how I see it. ^^

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Originally Posted by Dragoy

Hm... I think that analogy doesn't quite work too well since computer technology goes forward at the speed it does. Getting the latest and greatest parts are outdone and overpriced very soon indeed, while the middle-ground is usually the most sensible place to be.

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True, but think of it this way, you build a relic, just like you build this PC, and then you upgrade it as new things come out, just like this PC, so you can keep it up to date without having to start from scratch. Now in the analogy, just like with RMEs, a new PC comes out, not even fully upgraded and all that, for a tenth of the cost, but its nearly twice as good as your current PC which you have spent years upgrading. That is what my point was, we have spent this time upgrading our stuff only for this new thing to come out and make our hard work and all the time we spent keeping our weapons upto date nothing more than a waste now. Granted we got use out of our upgraded PC/RME but in the end its become out dated so fast and we had no warning or say, it was dropped on us like a bomb.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

True, but think of it this way, you build a relic, just like you build this PC, and then you upgrade it as new things come out, just like this PC, so you can keep it up to date without having to start from scratch. Now in the analogy, just like with RMEs, a new PC comes out, not even fully upgraded and all that, for a tenth of the cost, but its nearly twice as good as your current PC which you have spent years upgrading. That is what my point was, we have spent this time upgrading our stuff only for this new thing to come out and make our hard work and all the time we spent keeping our weapons upto date nothing more than a waste now. Granted we got use out of our upgraded PC/RME but in the end its become out dated so fast and we had no warning or say, it was dropped on us like a bomb.

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yes but your PC shop just told you that they will upgrade your computer so it's better than the new cheap one.

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Originally Posted by hiko

yes but your PC shop just told you that they will upgrade your computer so it's better than the new cheap one.

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Not better just comparable and chances are you will have to fork over even MORE effort and then pay them.