Ok...let me level with you here SE...

yea at this point I gotta say 5 doesnt sound that bad for anyone with a relic

I just wish 1500 heavy metal plates didnt suck so bad...im more likely to go start and finish a relic now then to finish an empy


ALSO 60 riftdross/cinder still sucks badly

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Originally Posted by Brolic

his shell has been around for a while, it's the only credible eu shell on asura for the last 4? years. Jem's apoc is probably 2 years old now? was the 2nd on the server.. after mine;) (rip artaxerxes)

More so in those 4 years it wouldn't be such a huge leap to assume that people have gone from college students with loads of time on their hands to responsible working adults with not so much time.

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well, she already does Dyna in 2 hour chunks. I don't think they plan on increasing Dyna past 2 hrs, so it will fit into her work schedule. :)

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Originally Posted by Creelo

Not to mention, could you imagine the drama that a trial like this could bring for shells that have 10+ Relics to upgrade?

"Who should get the Umbral Marrow?"

Personally, I would want to upgrade others' melee weapons over my own Gjallarhorn because they gain so much more at lvl 99, yet how am I to know that I would get the same help when it comes time for my own? Everyone knows how notorious it is for people to finish a Relic/Empy/Mythic and then just quit or take an "extended" break a week later lol

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I think many large LS's have some form of DKP system for distributing Marrow. ^^

I still like stage 1 is title on any job and stage 2 is 5 items... but since the dev team thinks people actually kill the thing...

I think this trial issue just killed the purpose of these boards btw, devs take note!

私はこの裁判の問題は単なる方法でこれらのボードの目的を殺したと考え、開発者は注意してください！

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

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while i'm guessing your joking but i feel they should of done this just as a Thank you to all those who invested so much time and money in the game.

w/ mythic they should give ya 5k alexandrite back as a form of saying sorry for being so harsh on you.

Agreed on all things
The scope of the game has changed such that ADL is impractical to kill. Let's face it, the large HNM ls's of the past are gone, maybe 2% of them across all servers remain, and thats purely in respect to member size. The activity pattern isnt HNM-everyone-be-online-and-at-the-event anymore, so fetching a large amount of people at a specific event time is tough now. You need an alliance to beat ADL. Dynamis is done with 1-6 people now, even the NQ DL is done with 6. But you look at the popped NM's, most people stay away from them because they are still a pain in the butt with such lowman groups. To get the ADL pop items you need to kill those popped NMs, and the party setup is different than a farming setup, so people dont bother. Getting the ADL pop items just isnt happening in current game-play.

SE has gotten better in understanding the needs of players in respect to gear, but they are still clueless about how the game is played and how it has evolved (for better and worse). Remember AV and how it used to be unbeatable and it took years and constant pleading at conventions to get them to prove it was beatable? It just shows how reluctant they are to involved and immerse themselves in the actual game, so sit back in town with the rest of us and hear the shouts and participate in events. That last part is critical - participate in events, because thats how it's done now, join shout groups for VW or abby exp parties or nyzul/salvage, etc. Few groups are far and between and mostly exist as lingering friendships from past-great linkshells. Huge dyna LS's to beat ADL.... hahahahaha.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

LOL man I wasn't going to say anything earlier.

1000 to 20, ppl still whine.

20 to 5, people still crying?

http://i33.tinypic.com/28lb4uf.jpg




I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

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Cream, cmon lets be serious here - this isn't unjustified whining.

No one does ADL and after the patch that makes this stuff live no one will still do ADL. What incentive does anyone have to help a relic-holder finish this trial that eats an entire Dynamis run up and allows for a single kill at ADL? ADL doesn't even drop a single 100pc at a 100% rate and his gear is situational at best.

So ADL'll in most cases only drop marrow which is laughable given the effort expended to accomplish this feat. SE says "most people will finish" a 99 then turns around and makes a trial that not only compels people to tier relics (Guttler isn't worth 5 ADLs gtfo BST) but also encourages people to do something for nothing.

In typical SE fashion they haven't even decided to sweeten the pot. Throw in some heavy metal pouches? Some shots at multiple hundred pieces? A shot at any of the glowing weapons? Something? This is just your typical raw grind backed with voodoo speak, half-truths and delusions of balance from SE.

Who the hell cares about stage2? The person that hammers out that trial will have mush for brains once they manage to finally finish. Good to know SE doesn't give a fuck about the 'word to the players' they tote around.

This is still unacceptable..

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Cream, cmon lets be serious here - this isn't unjustified whining.

No one does ADL and after the patch that makes this stuff live no one will still do ADL. What incentive does anyone have to help a relic-holder finish this trial that eats an entire Dynamis run up and allows for a single kill at ADL? ADL doesn't even drop a single 100pc at a 100% rate and his gear is situational at best.

So ADL'll in most cases only drop marrow which is laughable given the effort expended to accomplish this feat. SE says "most people will finish" a 99 then turns around and makes a trial that not only compels people to tier relics (Guttler isn't worth 5 ADLs gtfo BST) but also encourages people to do something for nothing.

In typical SE fashion they haven't even decided to sweeten the pot. Throw in some heavy metal pouches? Some shots at multiple hundred pieces? A shot at any of the glowing weapons? Something? This is just your typical raw grind backed with voodoo speak, half-truths and delusions of balance from SE.

Who the hell cares about stage2? The person that hammers out that trial will have mush for brains once they manage to finally finish. Good to know SE doesn't give a fuck about the 'word to the players' they tote around.

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20, sure not unjustified.

5? They're not just gonna hand it to you.

And it's not just the complaining, it's the whole "omg if it's not easy to get the absolute best weapons in the game, I'm quitting" threats that make me lol

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

LOL man I wasn't going to say anything earlier.

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Yeah, it's usually best to go with your first instinct.

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1000 to 20, ppl still whine.

20 to 5, people still crying?

I have an idea, SE should just make an NPC where you can trade your 95 relic and he'll give you the 99 version w/ afterglow in exchange

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Oh, well that's original. Yes, if any level of difficulty is shaved off of anything it's akin to mailing people free relics, infinite gil, and/or a Primeval Brew dispenser on a 5 second cooldown. I've never heard anything like that before. No sir. We've certainly broken new ground here. I'm not sure what's more impressive, your cleverness or your Dragonball picture collection.

You totally misunderstood my post. Lol I wasn't saying or implying anything you just talked about and then you speak of my cleverness, ha.