DRK Adjustments via Manifesto

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This is why it pays to play other jobs. You'd realize that Dancer stuns don't land as frequently as you think they do, and Blues don't socket in ALL those stuns, and they don't land as reliably as 'stun' stun does.

When you cherry-pick minor aspects of a job and blow them up to be those jobs' defining factors without seeing them in perspective, your arguments fall flat to folks that have leveled more than one job, and have the perspective you lack. It would be like a RDM complaining that Dark Knight got tier three spells because "Dark Knights aren't Mages"... Arguments and 'points' like that just sound completely idiotic....

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Originally Posted by Frost

This is why it pays to play other jobs. You'd realize that Dancer stuns don't land as frequently as you think they do, and Blues don't socket in ALL those stuns, and they don't land as reliably as 'stun' stun does.

When you cherry-pick minor aspects of a job and blow them up to be those jobs' defining factors without seeing them in perspective, your arguments fall flat to folks that have leveled more than one job, and have the perspective you lack. It would be like a RDM complaining that Dark Knight got tier three spells because "Dark Knights aren't Mages"... Arguments and 'points' like that just sound completely idiotic....

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Your argument about BLU is that it has too much shit to even use, so we shouldn't be upset when it keeps getting and we don't?

I guess you don't play BLU, DNC, and DRK together to be able to compare them in a realistic way. DRK is the worst stunner of the group (possibly tied with DNC), and BLU can keep a mob stunned for nearly the entire fight as well as having two terror spells (one definitely works, the other will too I'm sure) up its sleeve while SE has told DRKs over and over that we can't have a Terror spell because it'd be too powerful. BLU is fed so well every update that it might not even use the terror spell, but if anything that just shows the disparity between jobs. DRK would fall over on itself for such a thing.

DRKs: Hey, we're DRKs...shouldn't we be able to do X?
SE: X would be too powerful, here's Tactical Parry.
*SE gives X to BLU*
*SE gives X to BLU again*

Not just with Terror, either; DRKs have been asking for any kind of secondary Stun forever- if we got a spell like Sudden Lunge or Headbutt we'd be ecstatic and it'd be the biggest thing for DRK since the game came out, but BLU gets this kind of shit and then gets it again every update.

DRK desperately needs some unique and useful utility capabilities, and all of our (very DRK-ish) ideas get shot down and then given to BLU.

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Originally Posted by Frost

This is why it pays to play other jobs. You'd realize that Dancer stuns don't land as frequently as you think they do, and Blues don't socket in ALL those stuns, and they don't land as reliably as 'stun' stun does.

When you cherry-pick minor aspects of a job and blow them up to be those jobs' defining factors without seeing them in perspective, your arguments fall flat to folks that have leveled more than one job, and have the perspective you lack. It would be like a RDM complaining that Dark Knight got tier three spells because "Dark Knights aren't Mages"... Arguments and 'points' like that just sound completely idiotic....

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Man I hate people who don't make sense, blu is the best stunner in the game if it chooses to be, Headbutt is a great stun move with both speed and damage, and that's just one of blu's effective stun moves. Furthermore, SE said directly to drk's that they have no plans of adding stun II, but they want to make sure drks are the best and most effective stunners, well how's that going to happened?

So you decide to wait for several months and 522 responses before you decide to move this thread. Why? Why wasn't this thread moved when it was created? Why is it that we get a few responses from the reps and then after a long gap we start posting on it again about our displeasure in how this game is treating us and then you decide its time to move the thread? What was the logic in this decision? Was their logic in this decision? Will we even get a response to any of this? Why can't we seem to get any acknowledgement from the devs, reps, or even Tanaka himself about what they plan to do to remedy their poor performance at game balance for many jobs including DRK? You see its completely stupid decisions like this that your company is making that lost them my money because I refuse to pay for the crap that your giving us. Also as for this thread being moved after all this time and all these responses I think someone has been quite absent on their duties and should recieve high reprimand if not out right dismissal from their post. SE, stop screwing over your paying clients, or else your gonna lose them.

I wasn't aware headbutt landed on NMs worth a damn, and it's subject to capped accuracy like a melee attack is (no matter what it will miss 5% of the time), Lunge/Frypan/Tail Slap/Whirl is the same, using Thunderbolt is once every 5 minutes and locks you out of any other unbridled spell, which includes the new terror one. Yes Blu can set all of them, but it's never practical to do so except to be a stun b*sh.

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Originally Posted by Selzak

Your argument about BLU is that it has too much shit to even use, so we shouldn't be upset when it keeps getting and we don't?

I guess you don't play BLU, DNC, and DRK together to be able to compare them in a realistic way. DRK is the worst stunner of the group (possibly tied with DNC), and BLU can keep a mob stunned for nearly the entire fight as well as having two terror spells (one definitely works, the other will too I'm sure) up its sleeve while SE has told DRKs over and over that we can't have a Terror spell because it'd be too powerful. BLU is fed so well every update that it might not even use the terror spell, but if anything that just shows the disparity between jobs. DRK would fall over on itself for such a thing.

DRKs: Hey, we're DRKs...shouldn't we be able to do X?
SE: X would be too powerful, here's Tactical Parry.
*SE gives X to BLU*
*SE gives X to BLU again*

Not just with Terror, either; DRKs have been asking for any kind of secondary Stun forever- if we got a spell like Sudden Lunge or Headbutt we'd be ecstatic and it'd be the biggest thing for DRK since the game came out, but BLU gets this kind of shit and then gets it again every update.

DRK desperately needs some unique and useful utility capabilities, and all of our (very DRK-ish) ideas get shot down and then given to BLU.

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You know what, I agree with you on this for the most part, believe it or not.
I do agree there's a massive double standard when they say "We cannot do this" then give it to Blu.

I was responding more directly to "Blus Have 6 stuns and 2 terrors", when the likelyhood of having all of that socketed is slim to none. Typically Whirl of Rage and Sudden Lunge are enough. And there's a snowballs' chance in hell most blus would bother socketing Jettatura.

However,

Head Butt Misses, or Head Butt lands for damage only more often than you'd think.
Whirl of Rage lands more reliably, yet it's AoE (noticeably slower to cast too).
Sudden Lunge Builds resist extremely fast and isn't as reliable on HNM.
Jettatura has a TWO MINUTE recast, and a high socket cost.
The "other" Terror, that isn't out yet, has a FIVE MINUTE recast.

And:

Stun always lands, unless:
A) The mob is naturally immune to stun. (In which case both Blu and Drk would suffer alike)
Or:
B) Stun resist has been built up. (In which case both Blu and Drk would suffer alike)

AND:

Blus have to be in range to stun... and lots of times that's not a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Frost

You know what, I agree with you on this for the most part, believe it or not.
I do agree there's a massive double standard when they say "We cannot do this" then give it to Blu.

I was responding more directly to "Blus Have 6 stuns and 2 terrors", when the likelyhood of having all of that socketed is slim to none. Typically Whirl of Rage and Sudden Lunge are enough. And there's a snowballs' chance in hell most blus would bother socketing Jettatura.

However,

Head Butt Misses, or Head Butt lands for damage only more often than you'd think.
Whirl of Rage lands more reliably, yet it's AoE (noticeably slower to cast too).
Sudden Lunge Builds resist extremely fast and isn't as reliable on HNM.
Jettatura has a TWO MINUTE recast, and a high socket cost.
The "other" Terror, that isn't out yet, has a FIVE MINUTE recast.

And:

Stun always lands, unless:
A) The mob is naturally immune to stun. (In which case both Blu and Drk would suffer alike)
Or:
B) Stun resist has been built up. (In which case both Blu and Drk would suffer alike)

AND:

Blus have to be in range to stun... and lots of times that's not a good idea.

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I'm not sure what kind of crap BLU misses stuns and DNC fails with the right macro gear for flourishes.

Sudden Lunge lasts for an obscenely long time and rotating that with headbutt is amazing equivalent to StunI/StunII, being in combat is always a good idea just have a WHM to silena/Cure you. BLU for example makes the T3 Bastok fight Melancholic Moira a big fat green joke.

Melancholic Moira is a joke on its own without a Blu...