Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

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Originally Posted by Aurara

Well Blitzer's roll is crap anyways, and i'm fairly certain enspells and haste samba dont stack :x

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Well if i was in a party with a DNC I'd drop inferno howl for something else to max out the haste we were giving the party

The reason I left off Crimson Roar is because firstly Ifrit kinda sucks and isn't even worth calling out for some enfire that can easily wind up being resisted on harder mobs and secondly because idk if its just how I set parties up but usually my SMN isn't with my DD but moreso with my tanks or in a party of mages over a group of DD.

Just me, I can see where enfire can be effective, even if those situations are slim.

In Voidwatch (where SMN becomes a relevant and effective job again), the PLD will be using enlight and you don't want many DD around so the en-fire becomes irrelevant as ranged damage or disposable pets are more effective for damage than melee damage.

Really, SMN is plagued from some of the same issues other pet classes have - SE doesn't want the pet to be more powerful than the purists (BRD, COR) so we have a situation where the wards are ho-hum buffs/debuffs but nothing overly amazing.

Also, maybe it's just me but fielding a DNC outside Abyssea in the direction XI is going w/Voidwatch is currently "eh..." to me. The whole !! system is designed to be anti-zerg, anti-DD hastefest which leads to a sharp desirability in what Dancer brings to the table.

The job already has a niche as being a top tier soloer and excellent support when you can simply rush the field with DD tanks and a mage or two but at what looks to be "new" endgame, the job falls flat on its face. Personal experience may vary however.

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Originally Posted by Raz

-EDIT- for the record my hastega > Blitzer's roll

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Blitzer's roll is trash. It wrecks Xhits for 2 handers, and it's useless for DWs in a party with DNC, BRD, Haste.

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Originally Posted by Raz

yes but can they keep DD up while supporting the party AND buffing it at the same time.

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Phantom Roll
Job Ability

Grants a beneficial effect to party members within area of effect.
Obtained: Corsair Level 5
Recast Time: 1 Minute
Duration: 5 minutes.

So 5:30 seconds with af3 hands, and it takes all of 5 seconds to put up. Sometimes it takes longer due to SE/Bust/Fold, sometimes less due to Lucky Number, but about 5 seconds average to get positioned, roll/re-roll, get back to where you were.

Well, at 75 i would only do DD rolls cause mages never really had MP issues then!

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

The reason I left off Crimson Roar is because firstly Ifrit kinda sucks and isn't even worth calling out for some enfire that can easily wind up being resisted on harder mobs and secondly because idk if its just how I set parties up but usually my SMN isn't with my DD but moreso with my tanks or in a party of mages over a group of DD.

Just me, I can see where enfire can be effective, even if those situations are slim.

In Voidwatch (where SMN becomes a relevant and effective job again), the PLD will be using enlight and you don't want many DD around so the en-fire becomes irrelevant as ranged damage or disposable pets are more effective for damage than melee damage.

Really, SMN is plagued from some of the same issues other pet classes have - SE doesn't want the pet to be more powerful than the purists (BRD, COR) so we have a situation where the wards are ho-hum buffs/debuffs but nothing overly amazing.

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Usually I wind up with DDs but if I was in a mage or tank party I'd just change up the buffs I give

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Originally Posted by TybudX

Phantom Roll
Job Ability

Grants a beneficial effect to party members within area of effect.
Obtained: Corsair Level 5
Recast Time: 1 Minute
Duration: 5 minutes.

So 5:30 seconds with af3 hands, and it takes all of 5 seconds to put up. Sometimes it takes longer due to SE/Bust/Fold, sometimes less due to Lucky Number, but about 5 seconds average to get positioned, roll/re-roll, get back to where you were.

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the same applies to my BPs except I don't hurt my damage to equip a support role subjob and can DD/Buff/support all at once.

Support role subjob? COR is a DD, /whm is crap(bar some situations) /rdm is limited too.

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Originally Posted by Aurara

Support role subjob? COR is a DD, /whm is crap(bar some situations) /rdm is limited too.

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So it can't perform all 3 roles that SMN can at once, my point that SMN brings a versatility to the party that other jobs can't and as such the party won't suffer too much if at all from our weaker buffs

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Originally Posted by Razushu

I wouldn't call my Damage poor.

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You called my damage poor and you do 1/4th my damage. What word means "sucks significantly more than poor?"

What? COR can do all 3 jobs at once and still be better than smn :x
Edit: What i mean is wildfire, give melee rolls, give mages rolls, and lose no dmg cause wildfire is sick.