Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

COR can do melee/melee and mage/mage rolls if they dont suck. The buffs cor gives are also>anything smn can give, just giving you insight!

How many of SMN's BP: Wards are actually useful, though? Keep in mind, WHM can Stoneskinga too. Hastega is only more MP efficient for the mage itself. It has no effect on the party, as both mages can keep Haste on everyone either way. As long as WHM isn't running out of MP, and everyone has Haste fulltime, the MP efficiency of Hastega means effectively nothing.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

How many of SMN's BP: Wards are actually useful, though? Keep in mind, WHM can Stoneskinga too. Hastega is only more MP efficient for the mage itself. It has no effect on the party, as both mages can keep Haste on everyone either way. As long as WHM isn't running out of MP, and everyone has Haste fulltime, the MP efficiency of Hastega means effectively nothing.

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Barring Hastega, the useful wards are:

Dream Shroud
Spring Water
Whispering Wind
Tidal Roar
Earthen Armor
Diamond Storm
Healing Ruby II

Situational:
Sleepga
Fleet Wind

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

How many of SMN's BP: Wards are actually useful, though? Keep in mind, WHM can Stoneskinga too. Hastega is only more MP efficient for the mage itself. It has no effect on the party, as both mages can keep Haste on everyone either way. As long as WHM isn't running out of MP, and everyone has Haste fulltime, the MP efficiency of Hastega means effectively nothing.

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Well, Evasive Down, Evasive/Accuracy Down, Phalanx (I know, it sucks, but still), MAB/MDB, and Earthen Armor are all good buffs.

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our Buffs aren't as strong as a BRDs but we can apply more than them. Never really partied with a Cor but from what I've read I'd confidently state we'd hold our own seeing as they can either DD/Buff or Buff/Support(please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong as I'm only going on what I've heard/been told), where as we can perform all 3.

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COR buffs are about on par with a BRD, and that's just rolls. They can reset JAs every 15 minutes (any fight you would even need a full party for). They have QD, which is zero TP to mob as well as augmenting elemental damage of the same type by 20% for 15 seconds. Even before af3 feet COR's were monsters at certain HNM (hint: the sameone's you would want a SMN on) because QD damage is that good. They also have decent ranged damage if they need to stay out of melee, an Empyrean that doesn't suck, and a WS that is pretty good even outside Abyssea. That's not even counting what support job they come on yet. Yes, I would pick a COR over a SMN as long as I don't need EA or PD. I would rather have strong buffs and good damage instead of ok buffs and poor damage.

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Originally Posted by Aurara

COR can do melee/melee and mage/mage rolls if they dont suck. The buffs cor gives are also>anything smn can give, just giving you insight!

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Thought so It's kinda like BRD with a cooler hat, but SMN still holds it's own when you add the extra DD+support or I'd not be accepted time and again to perform this role(just my opinion based on personal experience)

In all fairness, if we're talking about pickup groups, most will accept anything with a pulse so that's not saying much for anyone.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Barring Hastega, the useful wards are:

Dream Shroud
Spring Water
Whispering Wind
Tidal Roar
Earthen Armor
Diamond Storm
Healing Ruby II

Situational:
Sleepga
Fleet Wind

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Don't forget Inferno howl

and situationally

Ecliptic growl/howl

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Originally Posted by TybudX

COR buffs are about on par with a BRD, and that's just rolls. They can reset JAs every 15 minutes (any fight you would even need a full party for). They have QD, which is zero TP to mob as well as augmenting elemental damage of the same type by 20% for 15 seconds. Even before af3 feet COR's were monsters at certain HNM (hint: the sameone's you would want a SMN on) because QD damage is that good. They also have decent ranged damage if they need to stay out of melee, an Empyrean that doesn't suck, and a WS that is pretty good even outside Abyssea. That's not even counting what support job they come on yet. Yes, I would pick a COR over a SMN as long as I don't need EA or PD. I would rather have strong buffs and good damage instead of ok buffs and poor damage.

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I wouldn't call my Damage poor outside abyssea even or my buffs just ok, I'm not trying to say I'm better than BRD or COR just that this is the role I get called on to play as SMN and I perform well enough that no one has ever kicked me or said I should level BRD or COR.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

Barring Hastega, the useful wards are:

Dream Shroud
Spring Water
Whispering Wind
Tidal Roar
Earthen Armor
Diamond Storm
Healing Ruby II

Situational:
Sleepga
Fleet Wind

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Ifrit's enfire belongs on there.