[Suggestion] Paid Race Change Program.

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Originally Posted by Eldwir

Hello once more guys !
I would like to express my sincere gratitude to all the people who have...and also those who haven not supported my topic---our topic.
Not to mention how glad I am to notice that many more answers are flowing down the discussion.
Seeing that after one year and some necroposting, this was finally labeled a relevant thread to Square Enix Reps, makes me happy and I can tell that it's making everyone rejoice as well.

We finally brought this where we wanted !

Thank you guys, you rock !

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Moral of the story:
Necrobumb all the threads!

This is great news! I too hope they are seriously considering this. I need a tail.

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Originally Posted by Esakara

Praise the lord...

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It's mearly a stock responce to playcate people until they forget about it.

I will never forget.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

It's merely a stock response to placate people until they forget about it.

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You may be right. Even though they said they'd forward it for consideration, I don't think we should let up the pressure. Keep expressing happiness that they're looking into it. Keep the reasons coming as to why we want it. Keep saying that we hope that it's added. Don't allow it to seem as though we've forgotten about it. We only got past the starting line. We still have a goal to reach!

(No I won't quit my day job to become a motivational speaker.)

Unneccesary feature in my opinion nor do i think SE will implent it.
If they wanted to they would have done it already.
If u want another race, u can start another char and experience the game that way
but changing gender like in WoW from one moment to the next, i dont like that idea to be serious.
I like FFXI for being a very story given and atmospheric game not for being able to let u do such weird stuff as a race change, imagine everyone doing that, no thanks.
There are more than enough people out there doing just that, starting another char and i think it's an awesome experience to play "again" as another race, if u not up for that u probably don't need a race change either.

Why imagine everyone doing it, when that is an unrealistic outcome of the implementation of such a feature?

And in comes Ceinwyn with the c-c-c-combo breaker to put an end to the streak of positive posts.

It's not like every single person will magically become a new race overnight, nor do I think they'd even let us do it enough to abuse it. It's something that make more money for SE and make people happy.

Just start over? Some people have been playing since the game was released, and over time may have taken a liking to a different race that they wish they had chosen. Anyone who thinks that you can "just start over" and have it not be an issue probably has never really accomplished much in game.

Point is a lot of people would it and i dont like that idea like i just said.

How many people do you actually know that would use the feature? I mean I'm sure there would be like a couple, but this leads to my next question: Why wouldn't you let your friends change race if they wanted? Isn't it a bit selfish of you to tell them that they should stay the race you want them to be, rather than them being able to switch to what they enjoy the most?

Most race changers would be people you didn't know, do you really think you would notice a significant difference? Do you actually remember the names, races and genders of your your 3 last pickup groups?

I sure don't.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

And in comes Ceinwyn with the c-c-c-combo breaker to put an end to the streak of positive posts.

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It's been a pleasure.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

It's not like every single person will magically become a new race overnight, nor do I think they'd even let us do it enough to abuse it. It's something that make more money for SE and make people happy.

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Will cost SE effort also and money, i think there are reasons they havent done it so far and some like me wont like it,so not everyone would enjoy such a feature.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

Just start over? Some people have been playing since the game was released, and over time may have taken a liking to a different race that they wish they had chosen. Anyone who thinks that you can "just start over" and have it not be an issue probably has never really accomplished much in game.

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Just start another char and try that one out if u feel that way.
Not much accomplished? What do u mean by that? This is a game and most play it for fun.
You can send most rare/ex items now not all though.
And COP ZM missions are easier now, u would have to do em again if u need em though but
if u play as another char thats obviously.
Maybe it's not fun for everyone starting another char? Ok, i understand that.
Why u even want another race? Appearance? Way they move, act?
I guess so but thats not they way its meant to be, at last not in my opinion.
It's like u get "another" char without a "past".
Hardly to belive someone could enjoy playing a zombie because thats it for me but well...
Im just an old school player liking final fantasy games what do i know.
SE can do that if they want thats up to them but i wouldnt like it.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

How many people do you actually know that would use the feature? I mean I'm sure there would be like a couple, but this leads to my next question: Why wouldn't you let your friends change race if they wanted? Isn't it a bit selfish of you to tell them that they should stay the race you want them to be, rather than them being able to switch to what they enjoy the most?

Most race changers would be people you didn't know, do you really think you would notice a significant difference? Do you actually remember the names, races and genders of your your 3 last pickup groups?

I sure don't.

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Of course, u wouldn't notice this at all but u would know it's going on and im against it for asthetic and atmospehric reasons which plays a big role in games like this i think.
And i would tell my friends to try another char and if they liked it more they should play that char and do some stuff again with their new char.

HOWEVER u brought another thought to me.
IF SE would do this, what about all the people who started several new chars because there wasnt a race change in the first place? Don't u think they would have to come up for this? Don't u think it's a bit selfish to demand something for a few dollars that other peoples put a lot of work in? Starting all over again?
OH, thats their own fault? Really? It was their own will to start a new char instead of just playing their main?
What u not say.... >Mirror< >Do you need it?<

I'm against the OPs idea. This shouldn't be a paid/RMTd feature, but embedded within game as a standard, maybe with some time restrictions.

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Originally Posted by Ceinwyn

Unnecessary feature in my opinion nor do i think SE will implement it.
If they wanted to they would have done it already.

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If they wanted a new expansion they would have done it already. If they wanted a new UI they would have done it already. If they wanted a Play-as-Monster system they would have done it already. If they wanted new jobs they would have added them already.

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If u want another race, u can start another char and experience the game that way

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I didn't realize you were in charge around here to tell us what we can and can't do. Please forgive me, Your Majesty.

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but changing gender like in WoW from one moment to the next, i dont like that idea to be serious.

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There's a cooldown and a substantial fee. No one is changing gender/race/faction from one moment to the next.

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I like FFXI for being a very story given and atmospheric game not for being able to let u do such weird stuff as a race change, imagine everyone doing that, no thanks.

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Changing jobs/classes on a single character is weird by most MMO standards, but you freely accept it as if it were commonplace. You have people running around in different costumes all the time looking weird. It's OK for someone to actually transform into a non-humanoid life form but becoming a different race or gender is somehow unbelievable or unrealistic?

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There are more than enough people out there doing just that, starting another char and i think it's an awesome experience to play "again" as another race, if u not up for that u probably don't need a race change either.

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That doesn't even make any sense.

The opposition has given a poor argument. Said argument could be supported if the game was like most MMOs and encouraged multiple characters in the form of limiting the actions each race could do(like jobs). But FFXI does not discriminate with jobs for each of the races.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

That doesn't even make any sense.

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Just because u don't understand it, doesn't mean its not making any sense.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Changing jobs/classes on a single character is weird by most MMO standards, but you freely accept it as if it were commonplace. You have people running around in different costumes all the time looking weird. It's OK for someone to actually transform into a non-humanoid life form but becoming a different race or gender is somehow unbelievable or unrealistic?

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U cant compare turning in a temp mandy with a permament rance change, no. That is unrealistic.
One is an item or costume another what u meant to be.

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Originally Posted by Rekin

The opposition has given a poor argument. Said argument could be supported if the game was like most MMOs and encouraged multiple characters in the form of limiting the actions each race could do(like jobs). But FFXI does not discriminate with jobs for each of the races.

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And who are u and what are u talking about anyway?

Why are people bumping this thread anyway it's been here long enough...
If u like discussing/hoping for/ a feature that will probably never occure, so be it.
I'll play my char now, which i love and leave u all alone bumping unnecessary threads with unlikely content.

Agreed, its unlikely to happen but doesn't mean one should instantly swat it down. It was once thought it unlikely for the level cap to increase... well look where we are now. Just because it's unlikely just shooing it away doesn't stop the possibility of it being developed.

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Originally Posted by Rekin

Agreed, its unlikely to happen but doesn't mean one should instantly swat it down. It was once thought it unlikely for the level cap to increase... well look where we are now. Just because it's unlikely just shooing it away doesn't stop the possibility of it being developed.

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Same could be said of the expansion as well, after so long we got it on the way now, I think that shows something.

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Originally Posted by Ceinwyn

Just because u don't understand it, doesn't mean its not making any sense.

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How does not being willing to level a new character from scratch mean that someone doesn't "need" a race change? That's what doesn't make sense.

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U cant compare turning in a temp mandy with a permament rance change, no. That is unrealistic.
One is an item or costume another what u meant to be.

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The vast majority of what happens in Vana'diel is unrealistic. You're worrying about Superman's pitiful disguise as Clark Kent while forgetting that he is a space alien that can fly, shoot lasers from his eyes, survive nuclear blasts, and juggle aircraft carriers.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

The vast majority of what happens in Vana'diel is unrealistic. You're worrying about Superman's pitiful disguise as Clark Kent while forgetting that he is a space alien that can fly, shoot lasers from his eyes, survive nuclear blasts, and juggle aircraft carriers.

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Lol I love this. Great analogy.

But guys, know what i would *really* like to see?

For this race/gender/face/hairstyle change capability to be accompanied by new hair styles, faces, hair and skin colors. Make it happen in Seekers of Aldouin, SE, please!

It wouldn't have to be that big an addition either. If they somehow managed to let us combine any existing face with any existing hair style (within the race, anyway) and any existing hair color, we'd have gotten a long way already.

Now, I'm aware that the game stores whole, separate head models+textures for each of the existing combinations, but by going this route, you would only need to copy/pasta the stuff they've already made with their 3D editing programs, and just reuse the textures they already have. It would be less work than making entirely new hairstyles and textures, for example.

The problem might be to make the PS2 deal with this extra variety in possible haracter models that would be on screen simultaneously. If it wasn't possible to let PS2 clients in on this use, maybe just keep a placeholder standard-face+hair to display to them?

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Originally Posted by Eldwir

Hello Square-Enix. Reason why I am suggesting, today, a PAID Character Race Change Program, very similar to the Character Reactivation one. Allowing us players, unsatisfied of our character's race, to change it to another and as well customizing the features such as Gender, Size, Face and Hair color for a certain amount of money, like a World Transfer.

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YES PLEASE!

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Originally Posted by Eldwir

I am pretty much sure that you've had, in the past, suggestions like mine, reason why I am sure many may have already incited you to introduce this kind of service, either through GMs Calls or Email or Customer Live Chat support

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I've actually called into their support service and requested it before and they gave me some lame excuse how the files are permanent once they are created for your character.. I then said "But you guys control those files, you could just change my file..."
"Sorry sir, but there is nothing we can do."

I fully support this thread and I really really really hope that SE reads, listens, and creates this...

I've been feeling rather bored on my current character, and would very much like this to be implemented. When Oki dropped by, he said that the development team was thinking about it, with a smiley, even! That has to mean something.

Is there any news regarding a paid race/sex/size/face/name change at this time?

hurray for more necrobumps
I fully support this idea, although I really only want to change the face/hair I think the whole race change idea is a good one

oh and you naysayers who are comparing this game to reality, it is a FANTASY based MMO, NOTHING anywhere says it needs to be based on any sort of reality, so stop with that stupid argument, its old, its lame,

you are talking about a game that has super tall lanky men and women with pointed ears, super short child like men and women with pointed ears, hulking men of unknown origins many of which have green skin, and cat like women, and you want to compare this to reality? you are just weird

oh and you should also keep in mind that Final Fantasy as a series is created by Square Enix, a company based in Japan, the land of some of the weirdest strangest coolest things you can find, and that all comes from imagination NOT reality.

On the off-chance male Mithra were ever made to be playable, I would pay for a change without hesitation.

Anyone who supports this idea, please, please, please, like the main post and keep this a topic of discussion. :(

After a while, people make threads so often, many quickly fall from "New Posts" into the bowels of the forum subcategories that no one (players or community reps) really looks in.

It would be very much appreciated if a community rep could give us some more information. Many people are willing to pay for something to keep their character fresh and interesting.

it would be a good Program cause few people made a character cause of someone else or a friend ,what have you. But originally wanted a different race,gender,size,face,hair w/e and would LOVE to change it BUT don't want to restart AGAIN so this would be a good program to put in the works so please help us out

Yes, yes please give us this option!

Alternatively, since FFXIV will have male mithra and female galka, perhaps you can open those race options for FFXI, and then give everyone a one time appearance change.

Please :)

Pretty pretty please with rainbow sprinkles on top? :)

Holy necrobump, batman!

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Alternatively, since FFXIV will have male mithra and female galka, perhaps you can open those race options for FFXI, and then give everyone a one time appearance change.

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No. First, FFXIV won't have male mithras and female Galkas, because the game doesn't have either of those races, as it is not FFXI-2.

FFXI has explicit lore reasons why female galka don't exist at all (technically, they arent male or female, as they are asexual), and why male mithra are not playable. FFXIV had no such lore reasons, and in fact a female Roegadyn was the leader of one of the Grand Companies. To add females to an asexual race doesn't even make sense, and would be a massive retcon of the game's lore.

While I am (surprisingly) very happy with my race/hair/etc choices I know my roomie is constantly moaning about the choices he made when he started out. But with all his ranks done, expansions completed, hard earned gear, jobs/crafts leveled, etc. he really, and understandably, doesnt wanna start off at square one and throw away about 7 years of work just to have a new face.

I dont really think it should be that big of a deal. Unless the coding has some weird things in it that prevent it I think this could make se a pretty penny. I mean technically you can pay for a name change if your ok with server jumping back and forth so I dont see where this should be an issue. Anyone who would want to fight this tooth and nail because they feel it breaks the game or whatever really needs to take a pill and relax a bit.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Holy necrobump, batman!
No. First, FFXIV won't have male mithras and female Galkas, because the game doesn't have either of those races, as it is not FFXI-2.

FFXI has explicit lore reasons why female galka don't exist at all (technically, they arent male or female, as they are asexual), and why male mithra are not playable. FFXIV had no such lore reasons, and in fact a female Roegadyn was the leader of one of the Grand Companies. To add females to an asexual race doesn't even make sense, and would be a massive retcon of the game's lore.

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Any time you are thinking about using lore as an excuse to deny something, please refer to this quote:

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Originally Posted by Camiie

The vast majority of what happens in Vana'diel is unrealistic. You're worrying about Superman's pitiful disguise as Clark Kent while forgetting that he is a space alien that can fly, shoot lasers from his eyes, survive nuclear blasts, and juggle aircraft carriers.

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Any time you are thinking about using lore as an excuse to deny something, please refer to this quote:

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The quote is irrelevant, it's still a massive retcon. Besides, even if a re-customization service is ever offered, you and I both know they are never going to add new races or "missing" genders.

The Galkan race is not male or female. They are treated as males for their appearance, but even the original instruciton manual states they have "no specific gender."

You could release male mithra without messing with the lore TOO much (though it would be weird for all the men of the mithran race to suddenly come out of the closets they're being kept in). The Galka however, it doesn't make any sense.

I don't understand why races with non-human designs and social structures are so taboo. You can't have a non-gendered race because that's somehow sexist or something- it suppresses creativity.

I want a race like Species 8472 on Star Trek Voyager- They have 5 genders. Thattl' never happen though, because anything that doesn't have just males and females will get shot down.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I don't understand why races with non-human designs and social structures are so taboo. You can't have a non-gendered race because that's somehow sexist or something- it suppresses creativity.

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Anthropologically speaking it would be incredibly hard to do so simply because our brains like to catagorize and we would always see something as inherently male or female. Which is also why the few cultures that have more than 2 genders still see the third as more masculine or feminine. So it would take an absolutely brilliant dev group to come up with an actual third, forth or fifth sex (sex btw is completely different from gender) and have it not fall into a male or female catagory. Which is why the Galka, being sexless, fall into the male catagory. Their bulky frames are better suited to what we perceive as traditionally male clothing and armors that would be designed for men would fit them better. Also the reason people have a hard time thinking about them as being sexless.

Species 8472 is a bad example simple because they lacked clothing, a descriptive culture or anything that could be seen as a gender catagory. It was simply multiple sexes by reference. Even if they had 5 sexes they could still only have 1 gender and being human we would percieve it as masculine or feminine. As we would all 5 genders if they have 5 genders to accompany their 5 sexes. Its complicated when you really get into it.

But away from the scientific stuff. Everything has to fall into the lore somehow, you cannot have a game without lore, if you break lore every time its convenient you would have one heck of a disorganized game which would lead to many many problems

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

The quote is irrelevant, it's still a massive retcon. Besides, even if a re-customization service is ever offered, you and I both know they are never going to add new races or "missing" genders.

The Galkan race is not male or female. They are treated as males for their appearance, but even the original instruciton manual states they have "no specific gender."

You could release male mithra without messing with the lore TOO much (though it would be weird for all the men of the mithran race to suddenly come out of the closets they're being kept in). The Galka however, it doesn't make any sense.

I don't understand why races with non-human designs and social structures are so taboo. You can't have a non-gendered race because that's somehow sexist or something- it suppresses creativity.

I want a race like Species 8472 on Star Trek Voyager- They have 5 genders. Thattl' never happen though, because anything that doesn't have just males and females will get shot down.

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I completely agree with you about the lore not matching and that they would have to make some silly stories up to explain it. I just don't think that's a problem. Hell, just last week we discovered an entire continent and kingdom wrapped in lore that we had no idea existed for 10 years.

I say if charging people $29 to add a continent and all the other crap that goes with it doesn't ruin the lore of the game, then adding some cross dressing galkas and some male cats for a nominal fee won't hurt either. If people wanna pay money for something, then SE should be happy to oblige. I wish people would go on my website and give me new ideas for making money off of them.

That's not correct. The continent of Ulbuka and the existence of the Adoulin area has been known since early in WotG. There is a campaign NPC that claims to come from there.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I completely agree with you about the lore not matching and that they would have to make some silly stories up to explain it. I just don't think that's a problem. Hell, just last week we discovered an entire continent and kingdom wrapped in lore that we had no idea existed for 10 years.

I say if charging people $29 to add a continent and all the other crap that goes with it doesn't ruin the lore of the game, then adding some cross dressing galkas and some male cats for a nominal fee won't hurt either. If people wanna pay money for something, then SE should be happy to oblige. I wish people would go on my website and give me new ideas for making money off of them.

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More people would have a problem with it than you give them credit for I think. One of the things people love most about Final Fantasy games or rather SE games in general, is the story, by breaking lore in a dozen ways it could easily anger many. Would it be so many people the game would go under? No, but it seems to me like SE would be spending more time and money for something that is mostly pointless in the end and breaks their lore a ton so they would get complaints for it anyways.

It's so annoying how Elvaan seem so complete as a race as far as animations. When they cast magic, their clothing and hair are animated but no other race has that detail. Their weapon stances look more thorough and aggressive than humes which simply look awkward holding their weapons.

I think having them add new race/gender options is a bit much to ask for as far as lore and time/effort. I'm not against it, but I'd completely understand it not ever happening. Let's not let it stand in the way of us getting support from our fellow players for re-customization options.

i would like to change my race from hume to strong independent black woman

From a lore standpoint, sexually female Galka do not exist, as Galka reincarnate. Adding them into the game just doesn't seem likely.

Also from a lore standpoint, male Mithra do not leave their home continent of Olzhirya. Lehko Habhoka is a very rare example of this, and adding male Mithra as a playable race would ruin the continuity of Mithran culture.

Even if they ventured to create new race/gender options (overall inconsequential to gameplay and might make many people happy), no one would be able to switch to them unless they establish a race change/character recustomization program. :) Let's stay positive and hope for an informative response! :D