For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

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Originally Posted by RAIST

SE has STATED they can't do certain things because fo PS2 limitations...so much so that it has become a running joke on some forums to just reply "ps2 limitations" to any suggestions.

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Can someone make me a pic of Heston int he surf yelling "damn you" and replace the statue of liberty with a PS2?

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

SE has already proven with their own surveys that the player base jumps on them. Did you bother to check the traffic of the site?

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What does web traffic have to do with with participants? One person can visit it a hundred times or someone just browsing adding to it, still doesn't prove anything. Again, percentage based polling.

Also I'd like to see that survey where SE has specifically asked about platform. Thanks

I want a graphics update and huge new expansions to but I know it'll never happen despite this useless argument.

NO company is going to drop a large source of revenue. People seriously think after the tsunami that their gonna drop it after losing millions? Get real.

Give it up, you can't win. Stop using the official forums to further your selfish wants

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Originally Posted by PizzaTheHut

Give it up, you can't win. Stop using the official forums to further your selfish wants

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So then you're on the PS2?

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Originally Posted by Krashport

I take it that you just click last on every thread. so sad.. =(

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I could say the same to you. If you've bothered to actually read this thread you would see I have responses since before you even registered here I bet.

GUYS YOU'RE SELFISH BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE US HOLDING THE ENTIRE GAME BACK EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD 11 YEARS TO GET WITH THE TIMES. GOD, HOW INCONSIDERATE THAT YOU DON'T LIKE THIS GAME BEING HELD BACK IN THE STONE AGE.

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Originally Posted by PizzaTheHut

I could say the same to you. If you've bothered to actually read this thread you would see I have responses since before you even registered here I bet.

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Naw I was reading these kinda of treads b4 I reg. Which made me reg.~

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

So then you're on the PS2?

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Read the part where I want updates to. I still prefer my nice and quiet humming PS2 on the big screen with PS3 component cables. I prefer to use my PC for better modern games.

So don't dance around my reply with that kind of reply just because it intimidates you.

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Originally Posted by PizzaTheHut

Read the part where I want updates to. I still prefer my nice and quiet humming PS2 on the big screen with PS3 component cables. I prefer to use my PC for better modern games.

So don't dance around my reply with that kind of reply just because it intimidates you.

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Now he thinks he's intimidating. Very self important.
Is what I want to know, is why specifically, you don't want them to drop PS2 support?

I say you have a problem typing, and then I see less worded mistakes. I got through to you, that's all I wanted to accomplish. Not to piss you off.

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Originally Posted by Neofire

Answer this, if SE has known about the limitations of the ps2(which i am sure they have for a long time now) why haven't they acted?

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They probably did know about the limitations months or years before they told us. And they did act. It was FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Now he thinks he's intimidating. Very self important.
Is what I want to know, is why specifically, you don't want them to drop PS2 support?

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I don't care if they drop it or not. As long as they map out and show us an entire proposed plan as to what they could do if they no longer needed to support it to justify dropping their customers. Again it's a dead horse topic especially in light of what's happened and the impact it's gonna have on the revenue.

I mean no disrespect, but I agree that PS2 support should be dropped by Square-Enix. However, if and when they do, there should be plenty of advanced notice.

What SE should do for us PS2 users is have all the PS2 users send in proof that they use PS2 then send us a computer capable of running FFXI. That way they can drop the PS2 and not drop any of us users. I mean we've been clients for like 8 years now. I think it's completely fair.

Can a player log onto FF11 on the PC with their PS2 login credentials?

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Originally Posted by Linh

Can a player log onto FF11 on the PC with their PS2 login credentials?

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Yes, systen doesn't matter in those regards.

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Originally Posted by JagerForrester

I say you have a problem typing, and then I see less worded mistakes. I got through to you, that's all I wanted to accomplish. Not to piss you off.



They probably did know about the limitations months or years before they told us. And they did act. It was FFXIV.

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So why drop support for the ps2 on ff11? Your not making since, we aren't talking about 14 here we are talking about 11. Last i checked the ps2 wasn't hurting 14.

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Originally Posted by Neofire

So why drop support for the ps2 on ff11? Your not making since, we aren't talking about 14 here we are talking about 11. Last i checked the ps2 wasn't hurting 14.

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lol "FFXI HD."

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Originally Posted by PizzaTheHut

Seriously? You're posting a link to a 2009 survey? That anyone can fake? Done by a non credible source? For all we know twenty people could have answered that survey. So unless you/they have proof of almost every single player on each server participating in that study, that proves nothing except that the creator of that survey is just as selfish as everyone else.

Also they used a percentage based system instead of a number for exact participants.

Yarly is still right.

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1st off where did I ever say that site was official? 2nd I think the most selffish thing is the making of this tread and Yarly is still wrong as well as yourself "I'm assuming" its called "Closed-minded".

no hard feelings PizzaTheHut.

Its amazes me, That you tell me that the site I posted isn't Official when I never said it was in the 1st place, I just put it there just to make a point that there is talk about PS2 going Good Bye! Yet PS2 players not "All" post/beg/cry/tell them they support a Console to SE to which (SQUARE-ENIX) didn't produce, Would make this the wrong site to post PS2 problems and or complains, do you see people post/beg/cry/tell them they support PC.


Using this as an example: "Can SE buy someone a new PC cause their HDD ran out of room? Personally I'm not trying to argue I can careless if PS2 lives or dies, Now it goes back to money issues if you can't afford to upgrade why are you really paying a 12.95+ a month~ don't want to sound cold hearted so I'll say I'm sorry if thats the case. I do hope PS2 players don't get the boot like I said in one of my last posts.

I don't know why this thread was made in the 1st place but yeah... "I'm assuming again" Is "Some" PS2 Players predicting "Their" future.

For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

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Originally Posted by Krashport

1st off where did I ever say that site was official? 2nd I think the most selffish thing is the making of this tread and Yarly is still wrong as well as yourself "I'm assuming" its called "Closed-minded".

no hard feelings PizzaTheHut.

Its amazes me, That you tell me that the site I posted isn't Official when I never said it was in the 1st place, I just put it there just to make a point that there is talk about PS2 going Good Bye! Yet PS2 players not "All" post/beg/cry/tell them they support a Console to SE to which (SQUARE-ENIX) didn't produce, Would make this the wrong site to post PS2 problems and or complains, do you see people post/beg/cry/tell them they support PC.


Using this as an example: "Can SE buy someone a new PC cause their HDD ran out of room? Personally I'm not trying to argue I can careless if PS2 lives or dies, Now it goes back to money issues if you can't afford to upgrade why are you really paying a 12.95+ a month~ don't want to sound cold hearted so I'll say I'm sorry if thats the case. I do hope PS2 players don't get the boot like I said in one of my last posts.

I don't know why this thread was made in the 1st place but yeah... "I'm assuming again" Is "Some" PS2 Players predicting "Their" future.

For those of us who still support the PS2 version of FFXI

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I guess people want to play it on their ps2's and not a PC? I mean i don't know because i want to do what i feel like lol not be forced to play the game i love on the PC? Money isn't an issue, i have a 60GB ps3 and 40GB ps3, i just like my large screen TV and the comfort of my bed when i play.

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Originally Posted by Neofire

I guess people want to play it on their ps2's and not a PC? I mean i don't know because i want to do what i feel like lol not be forced to play the game i love on the PC?

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It beacuse they haven't figured out that playing on a keyboard is faster and more efficient then a controler. Quote from my friend, "I can't believe how I ever played with a controler anymore. It's an alien concept now."

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Originally Posted by Myrrh

What SE should do for us PS2 users is have all the PS2 users send in proof that they use PS2 then send us a computer capable of running FFXI. That way they can drop the PS2 and not drop any of us users. I mean we've been clients for like 8 years now. I think it's completely fair.

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That would be awesome!!! Ipads for everyone!!!;)

I understand PS2 owners have been loyal, and have their arguments, however its a 11 year old system, since then Sony has came out with a PS3. Not only came out with a PS3, but came out with it almost 5 years ago, I'm respectfully saying its time to upgrade or move on.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

That would be awesome!!! Ipads for everyone!!!;)

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FFXI isn't an app. lol
Slates for everyone!

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Originally Posted by Neofire

I guess people want to play it on their ps2's and not a PC? I mean i don't know because i want to do what i feel like lol not be forced to play the game i love on the PC? Money isn't an issue, i have a 60GB ps3 and 40GB ps3, i just like my large screen TV and the comfort of my bed when i play.

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Point taken, I can't argue w/ having comfort some of us can't get enough of that. But you seem like a PS2 player that would upgrade/move over to your PS3, "IF" SE did make that hard decision about dropping the PS2.

Edit: Good to see the word "Love" used on the Game and not the console, It is all about the game to most members!^^

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Originally Posted by Neofire

So why drop support for the ps2 on ff11? Your not making sense, we aren't talking about 14 here we are talking about 11. Last i checked the ps2 wasn't hurting 14.

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To make more money....for the remake of FF14.
Make new content for FFXI without PS2 support as incentive to make the PS2 players move.

So what if the PS2 players whine?
If they want new content on FFXI, they will need to play another version.

It's called incentive.
Players lose some to gain MORE!!
Money made for buying the XBox/PC version of FFXI is money MADE for Square-Enix. Creating a new expansion is MORE MONEY!

You're making this as ridiculous as a customer whining that they want HD but don't want to buy an HDTV. And this argument is on such a smaller scale! I think your rebutting me just to rebuttal me.

i will say it again if the ps2 is that far keeping things behind why does SE not add ps3 content for the updated system then drop ps2 content after since we cants find a large supply of hd slotted ps2 in the US reasonable priced. Until SE does this they can blame the ps2 all they want but not adding ps3 data its SE holding us up not the ps2 in my opinion

I was on Amazon the other day getting parts for my ps2. I saw about 18 copies of ffxi, some used, some new with harddrives. The prices were't that much.

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Originally Posted by fizzywig

i will say it again if the ps2 is that far keeping things behind why does SE not add ps3 content for the updated system then drop ps2 content after since we cants find a large supply of hd slotted ps2 in the US reasonable priced. Until SE does this they can blame the ps2 all they want but not adding ps3 data its SE holding us up not the ps2 in my opinion

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I think my guess that they wanted to make XIV the new XI is spot on. If they want to make both games available for PS3, I'd be for it. But unless Sony and SE are having some feud and don't want to make a deal, I have no idea why they haven't yet.

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Originally Posted by fizzywig

i will say it again if the ps2 is that far keeping things behind why does SE not add ps3 content for the updated system then drop ps2 content after since we cants find a large supply of hd slotted ps2 in the US reasonable priced. Until SE does this they can blame the ps2 all they want but not adding ps3 data its SE holding us up not the ps2 in my opinion

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I would believe they would have to get the Ok w/ SONY it could have something to do w/ licensing, one would think SQUARE-ENIX would/have been trying for this seeing how good of a game it is.

Ur the 1 crying not I.

I have a ps2 and ps3, I would love for them to make ffxi for the ps3 so i can finally put my ps2 in my closest along with my nintendo, super nintendo, sega, ect..

If se would come up with a version that would install on the ps3, it would sell a lot more copies. I know on the playstaytion boards, a lot of people keep asking when se is comming out with a ps3 version of ffxi. I know I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I have a 60 gb ps3 and eould like a version for the ps3, maybe they could use ffxiv code for it.

I would like to use my PS3 as well, my PS3 is one of the older BC ones, but I installed a 120gb HDD into it, I could install the PS2 version, but for some odd reason all I have is the Wings of the Goddess disk -.- I have all my disks for PC and 360, but for the life of me I can not find my PS2 disks, I think I gave them to a friend a long time ago, and forgot about them ;p I really only use my consoles as backups though, I main on PC, and use my consoles for when I am not at home, or the PC is doing something important.

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keyboard is faster and more efficient then a controler.

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being a console gamer the controller will always be the most efficient for me. i just dont see how a keyboard is faster or more efficient

My brother recently came to stay at my house so i pulled out the PS2 for him to play on while he was here. He has always played on PC with a keyboard. he was not aware how easy the game is with a controller. He is now going to be getting a 36 controller to get for his PC to play with.

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Originally Posted by Legomike

being a console gamer the controller will always be the most efficient for me. i just dont see how a keyboard is faster or more efficient

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You're not looking too hard than. Using a controller, you have to press r/l, and then manually scroll over as many as 5 macros (assuming you never start scrolling the wrong way), and hit x. Using a keyboard you hold ctrl/alt, and tab a number. Using a keyboard it never takes more than maybe .5 secs to hit a macro. Using a controller, it can take as much as 1-2 seconds. The difference is rather large. Fortunately, you can always predict what you'll need to use next, allowing you to scroll over to the next macro well in advance, making the raw speed difference irrelevant. However if you get caught off guard, and do need to suddenly use a different macro, the speed difference is readily apparent.

This is from the perspective of someone who can easily use either a keyboard or a controller, in any situation. And i usually prefer to use a controller; because it's more comfortable, not because it's more efficient, or faster.

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Originally Posted by Spero

If se would come up with a version that would install on the ps3, it would sell a lot more copies. I know on the playstaytion boards, a lot of people keep asking when se is comming out with a ps3 version of ffxi. I know I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I have a 60 gb ps3 and eould like a version for the ps3, maybe they could use ffxiv code for it.

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What FFXIV Code?

On another not, I too would love to play on PS3. I am currently on 360 but have always loved PS. I think the game would play better & the graphics would just be amazing if they brought it on PS3. I could even see JP players upgrading to the PS3 version. it is truly a shame the did not do this 3 years ago. but i guess we can't expect everything >.>

Expecting a PS2 player to shell out $700+ for a strong PC to play FFXI (a game that already runs on their PS2) is unreasonable.
Expecting a PS2 player to shell out $200+ for a cheap PC or an XBox 360 to play FFXI (a game that already run on their PS2) is also unreasonable.

A player with a system that runs FFXI should not have to shell out greater than $50 (if even that) to play a game that already runs on their functioning system.

"If you can't find this one install disc you should give up and go to a different system" is a ridiculous statement.

The only "go to a different system" statement that I find reasonable in this situation is along the lines of "If your PS2 can't read discs anymore, you need to get a different (non-slim) PS2 - but they are widely and cheaply available."

I believe that the solution for this is a new install disc. I also believe that a mandatory new install could alleviate some of the 'PS2 Limitation' problems, particularly those pertaining to the total hard drive space allotted to PS2 FFXI. It would have to be mandatory because making such changes would likely require abandoning support for most further updates to the existing PS2 FFXI. However, I believe a significant enough portion of existing PS2 users would adopt the new install (assuming it were made widely available) to make it ultimately a positive course of action.

I mean a lot of disrespect.

PS2 needs to go away so we can get updates for the game we all love.

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Originally Posted by Volkai

Expecting a PS2 player to shell out $700+ for a strong PC to play FFXI (a game that already runs on their PS2) is unreasonable.
Expecting a PS2 player to shell out $200+ for a cheap PC or an XBox 360 to play FFXI (a game that already run on their PS2) is also unreasonable.

A player with a system that runs FFXI should not have to shell out greater than $50 (if even that) to play a game that already runs on their functioning system.

"If you can't find this one install disc you should give up and go to a different system" is a ridiculous statement.

The only "go to a different system" statement that I find reasonable in this situation is along the lines of "If your PS2 can't read discs anymore, you need to get a different (non-slim) PS2 - but they are widely and cheaply available."

I believe that the solution for this is a new install disc. I also believe that a mandatory new install could alleviate some of the 'PS2 Limitation' problems, particularly those pertaining to the total hard drive space allotted to PS2 FFXI. It would have to be mandatory because making such changes would likely require abandoning support for most further updates to the existing PS2 FFXI. However, I believe a significant enough portion of existing PS2 users would adopt the new install (assuming it were made widely available) to make it ultimately a positive course of action.

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Any computer made in the last 10 years with a video card that supports TnL will play ffxi just fine. Such a video card can be bought for $10 for any who don't have one.

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Originally Posted by rog

Any computer made in the last 10 years with a video card that supports TnL will play ffxi just fine. Such a video card can be bought for $10 for any who don't have one.

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Are you going to buy computers for every PS2 player? Do you expect SE to? Will you try to get all PC and XBox 360 players to get together and chip in to buy FFXI-capable computers for every single PS2 (and PS3, since they're running an emulation of PS2) player out there?

Somehow, I doubt it.