How can SE make the Redmage frontline job?

It would be nice if we could improve RDM without simply stealing abilities from other jobs. Some new RDM-only spells would be good, and the devs already implied that there might be new spells coming via job points, what they are and how effective they might be is up for debate. Some improvements to the elemental magic system would indirectly help RDM, which has also been mentioned by the devs. Unfortunately we probably can't expect much more then that, it's always nice to dream though.

If you ask me all SE needs to do is give us access to all the gear we should be able to use and that we get left out from because reasons. For quick reference I'm mainly talking about gear/weapons that THF and BLU can use but RDM can't even though it would make sense for us to be able to. That and the usual B+ Dagger/Sword skill and Shield skill C+ instead of F of course.

Other than that we don't really need more than we already have IMO.



PS > And just to clarify I'm not talking about getting access to ALL of THF and BLU gear, but about the types of items we have access to at lower levels but are magically unable to use at higher levels for no good reason other than holding the job back.

My take on Red Mages has always been since the days they got refresh, in those days the only ones with phalanx, and able to cast weaker spells but faster. It honestly annoyed me that any good exp party had to have either a rdm or a brd because they were the only two with refresh like abilities so you didn't have to worry about downtime and could push the pulls hard and fast. I don't know where in the line of things RDM went astray but I always thought that core identity... one of using magic to close the gaps of the places they lack... was the core identity of rdm. Lack dmg on melee? Use an en-spell. Lack tanking power? Use phalanx. Lack magic power or area effect buffs? Cast faster and have convert and refresh to make it so you have more mana resources. That was perfect. But also aggravating because RDM became too needed to do well and drowned other jobs out.

Now with WHM's that never go oom, who needs a refresh. Or a convert. It made whm's useful again but it drowned rdm's utility that it was sought for. And alot go scholar anyway for sublimation and faster cast times. And scholars out specialize rdm in casting time and fast cast gear is very easy to cap. Which pretty much made rdm's chainspell not so great anymore as well as their fast cast trait. Gear is too loaded and too much of the rdm unique powers are now common place, to the point rdm's only remaining gig is their unique spells and the fact they have it all in one package. But it isn't enough. I always felt having rdm as more a mage than a melee was smart. Red mages aren't red fighters, they're red mages... they use swords instead of staves and have black and white magic both. If it weren't for mp not being an issue anymore, and fast cast being so prevalent, I think rdm would still have a valid identity that was not drowned out. Because right now it is drowned out. And that wasn't the case. As power level increases it becomes harder and harder to know what to give to each job to the point it feels like at some point everyone has everything and then what's even the point anymore. Either SE has to take away all the ridiculous fast cast gear and unlimited mana pools which would piss off a ton of people, or give RDM a unique set of skills and identity back and make content harder again.

RDM gets access to some of the best weapons in game. To say it's not a frontline job is a slap in the face. With the correct tweaks you can go toe to toe with the higher parsed jobs np.

Erm the last post was 2 years ago, the game was quite different then.

I hope someday they at least add Temper II and that it gives triple attack instead of double. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

I hope someday they at least add Temper II and that it gives triple attack instead of double. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Or perhaps allow Temper to target party members... <_<;;

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

I hope someday they at least add Temper II and that it gives triple attack instead of double. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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they did add temper II, its a job point spell, and it does give triple attack

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Originally Posted by Songen

they did add temper II, its a job point spell, and it does give triple attack

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That was sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Jakuk

That was sarcasm.

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I didn't get it either.

I have been in a debate with people about rdm as a front line job (DD) for a while, I know for a fact rdm can DD, I have done it. I have kept up with AG mythic sam, aeonic blu, empy drk, mythic thf, aeonic thf, the list goes on.

Rdm is seriously on the verge of being way over powered, the dmg really isn't that bad and SE has to be extra careful on the gear they give rdm or it will become bandwagon on dps.

The only things rdm really needed was m.acc bonus which was addressed with the Feb update, outside that they need to increase the potency of dia/bio, poison, para, slow and make mythic worthwhile. As it stands there is literally zero reason for rdm mythic outside convert and we get convert bonus in gifts, only 1 self cure away from being topped off.

RDM DD is pretty good because savage blade is a HORRIBLY broken weapon skill.

Don't forget Dragon kick!

Dagger on rdm? The afternoon weapon is sword not dagger ,not stave, nor club.im ilvl119 maxed and mastered was top notched and the only thing I can do is "grab hate" after that my job goes to because all the merits/master that I've done makes no difference if my capped ablities don't stay on.stoneskin wears in one hit blink is gone in one hit it's like being a newborn once more gimped with no capped Skills u don't care that I don't do as much damage as a melee or blm or heal like a sch/when but damn I'd like to be able to survive a fight without a party of 18 to keep me alive.thats what makes me angry .I'm not a back line rdm I never was.the first 6 starter jobs has rdm.it was front line till pld so what changed?

I've always been a fan of melee RDM but I did feel it was still pretty far behind the traditional DD jobs. That is, until I started farming Omen for Swarts.

I happen to have TH augments on Chironic gear, so I just started farming on RDM (since I don't have THF leveled). On an average run, solo with trusts, I clear the zone with about 10 minutes left on the timer (my best time so far is 13 minutes). I recently leveled RUN and decided I should start collecting cards for upgrades and I found that I was unable to even clear the first room without timing out (my RUN gear isn't the best but it's not terrible I think, using Montante +1 and well augmented herc for DDing). I was like... huh... guess RDM isn't that bad after all.

After that I tested some of my other jobs just to see how they compared. NIN timed out at panopts. DRG was just barely able to clear with less then 5 minutes on the clock. My SAM is pretty well geared and still only managed to clear with 15 minutes left.

This raised my opinion of melee RDM significantly. I realize a large part is due to the recent composure buff (having my enspells hit almost as hard as the physical attack is a huge boost) and that Omen is not exactly the best comparison (the mobs are relatively weak), I've also meleed in Dynamis D up to wave 2 and on Neak in lowman groups and felt that I was at least contributing decently (with BRD and GEO support), but it's harder to make a comparison there without certain *ahem* assistance...

I would still like to see RDM get some further help in this area though, at this point mainly just in gearsets. It would be great to have another set like Ayanmo but with the stats switched around on different pieces so we could mix and match. It would also be nice to see some sort of native attack buff, Saber spell maybe? And for the love of god fix enspell IIs or just go ahead and delete them!

https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Ambuscade_Rewards
Jhakri Armor Set +2 has high amounts of accuracy and attack for a "mage" armor set.
Itemization choices are immense for RDM, seek and you will find. One thing i find lacking that could be added is access to +fencer bonus for equipment RDM is tagged for.
Sub job choice makes a huge difference on un-specialized jobs: /sch /whm /blm will be vastly different than using /war /drk /sam as a sub job selection if your intent is more physical offense.

I don't think supersun plays ffxi.