109/119 Empyrean Armor, Can we have it?

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

If it is then expect it to be significantly inferior to the Yorcia Alluvion gear. SE would not make gear that is equivalent to that without also making it equally hard to get.



I don't see why considering how easy it is to get a full set of Empyrean +2 just from repeat logon points now.

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If anything is easy it's yorcia alluvion skirmish. It's just a silly minigame. There is a good chance Vagary will be something more like delve or incursion. Vagary is the new battle content for reforging from 109 to 119. You are going to need chapters and something that drops in Vagary. To reiterate, artifact was an item crafted from mats from merits fights, relic was an item from delve, empy will take something from Vagary. They will all take chapters. It's going to follow the same pattern as before please stop all this hysteria.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

If it is then expect it to be significantly inferior to the Yorcia Alluvion gear. SE would not make gear that is equivalent to that without also making it equally hard to get.



I don't see why considering how easy it is to get a full set of Empyrean +2 just from repeat logon points now.

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No idea on the logic behind gear being inferior to skirmish if it uses pages, but hey! More power to you!

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Originally Posted by Stompa

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Back on the lazy thing, personally I don't see it as laziness so much, as "normalisation" of freebies. People have got used to getting free stuff just for log-in, free stuff from goblin, free Pells, free stuff for killing ten mobs or getting ten crystals etc. And it is a subconscious thing, we are not being lazy by default, we have just become normalised to expect free stuff all the time, because the game has bombarded us with these freebies in the last few years.

So on Rem Chapters, maybe if they had existed in 2006 or something, people would have just jumped for joy at the chance of being in a party and kill BCs to obtain them, and more of them, and more them. Because our subconscious mind back then was basically saying "the game is going to give you nothing, even if you work hard you will probably get nothing." So an event where you could get guaranteed armor upgrade items, as opposed to maybe being in line for a piece of armor eventually, maybe, this Rem system would have been adored back then.

But now, we get all these Pells, login points, gobby boxes etc. that on a subconscious level we have got accustomed to getting stuff for free. I don't think its intrinsically laziness, it is normalisation of freebies, and just if you lower the bar lower and lower and lower eventually people will complain about even having to step over it.

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LOL maybe you're on to something there. Don't blame me- blame my subconscious.

But in all seriousness, it's not so much that I detest or have a problem with obtaining chapters 1-5. They aren't that hard to get, and with new content needing them, finding groups to go with would not be a problem.

My issue is that the 109 version of the gear is completely useless and irrelevant to today's content. When AF/Relic reforge was first available 109 was a decent item level, due to the special abilities of the JSE armor. 119 was obviously better, and something to strive for, but not everyone could do that.

But the game today is a different beast. No one has any excuse for not having a complete set of 119 gear already, so why would I want to waste my time upgrading something to 109? For consistency? Why have consistency without logic? It's not like people who can't beat Vagary would be able to do so in 109 Empy gear. Not sure if I'm making sense, but the gist of it is that 109 is not needed. It's a step that can be skipped at this point in the game's lifecycle, and it's essentially there for "consistency" rather than serving a point.

On a related note, I had my hopes up for Empy gear breaking the 119 barrier, and I'm kinda bummed that it didn't happen. Obvious cliffhanger leading to a future patch that allows reforge to +2 for AF, Relic, and Empy though. Stay tuned.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

My issue is that the 109 version of the gear is completely useless and irrelevant to today's content. When AF/Relic reforge was first available 109 was a decent item level, due to the special abilities of the JSE armor. 119 was obviously better, and something to strive for, but not everyone could do that.

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Useless and irrelevant for who though? There are players out there who would view collecting Rem's 1-5 and farming the gil to buy the upgrade items as a challenge. And then there are players who would view that step as nothing more than a speed bump. Why not cater to both?

Also, I don't think the 109 version will be completely useless or irrelevant to anybody. A lot of that gear is gonna have some use even at 109. There are so many Empyrean pieces that have a place in your inventory even as a level 81-89 piece of equipment. We don't know how difficult it's going to be to get the 119 versions, and it'll likely be slow going to obtain pieces (especially at first). Rather than get a great 119 piece after a couple weeks worth of runs, why not also get a serviceable piece after a few days that can do the job while you grind?

I get the impression that you think the 119 pieces will be so easy to obtain that the only limiting factor will be the game day wait on Monisette. We may be in for a rude awakening.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Useless and irrelevant for who though? There are players out there who would view collecting Rem's 1-5 and farming the gil to buy the upgrade items as a challenge. And then there are players who would view that step as nothing more than a speed bump. Why not cater to both?

Also, I don't think the 109 version will be completely useless or irrelevant to anybody. A lot of that gear is gonna have some use even at 109. There are so many Empyrean pieces that have a place in your inventory even as a level 81-89 piece of equipment. We don't know how difficult it's going to be to get the 119 versions, and it'll likely be slow going to obtain pieces (especially at first). Rather than get a great 119 piece after a couple weeks worth of runs, why not also get a serviceable piece after a few days that can do the job while you grind?

I get the impression that you think the 119 pieces will be so easy to obtain that the only limiting factor will be the game day wait on Monisette. We may be in for a rude awakening.

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True for some pieces, not so much for others. I guess Bards will be happy with 109 for now.

I don't think the 119 pieces will be easy to get - quite the contrary. If I was just gearing up a job or two I guess I wouldn't see it as much as an inconvenience, but I'd probably want to upgrade 10 empy sets, so that's a lot of extra farming/grinding to do so. We still don't know what items will be needed to upgrade to 109- maybe that won't be easy either, aside from the chapters.

The Vagary description mentions items specifically used to upgrade Empyrean Armor to 119. Whether this is worded intentionally or not, they may have purposely left out 109. So maybe the 109 upgrade doesn't even require Vagary, who knows? Reforged AF and Relic both followed the pattern of Rem's, Phoenix/Malboro/Beetle/Damascene/Oxblood, and a synthesis material. It seems like there'd be a pretty good chance that Empyrean armor follows that pattern.

I think you're selling a ton of Empyrean armor pieces short too. Aoidos set yes, but I use a ton of Savant, Orison, and Lancer pieces on the main jobs I play even now. There are also pieces that aren't quite best in slot now but would be even with with some added defense and stat vomit.

I really REALLY hope that this time around they make the items for the ilev 119 versions Rare/Ex. If the stats are significantly better than the Yorcia Alluvion gear than that should not be something that you can just throw a bunch of gil at.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

I really REALLY hope that this time around they make the items for the ilev 119 versions Rare/Ex. If the stats are significantly better than the Yorcia Alluvion gear than that should not be something that you can just throw a bunch of gil at.

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Because people aren't throwing millions of gil at alluvion skirmish stones? Anyway they are not going to be rare/ex because they will also be used for crafting superior 2 equipment. Again like with the relic item and delve. Gabbrath Horn is used for reforging relic heads to 119, but is also used for making Tati Earrings.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Because people aren't throwing millions of gil at alluvion skirmish stones? Anyway they are not going to be rare/ex because they will also be used for crafting superior 2 equipment. Again like with the relic item and delve. Gabbrath Horn is used for reforging relic heads to 119, but is also used for making Tati Earrings.

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exactly. and don't forget, they have starting with the beginning of SoA offered 2 paths to obtain/upgrade almost all gear, beat the mob OR grind for points or the like so that dedicated acquisition shells can just spam boss mobs but the casual player can just kill 800+ mobs under certain conditions or the like. I don't spam AA or SKCNM fights, my stockpile of chapters is mostly from redeeming RoE points, I've never bought stones, I just live with the augments from the drops I've gotten doing skirmishes with my social LS mostly, and I have bought the delve and VW drops for the JSE I have upgraded. I still have the gear. I'm now leveling my crafting mules, as soon as each hits 99 they'll be jumping directly to 117 sparks gear and I'll do the 1 win so they can get their 119 weap from Osten with all the vouchers they accumulate/ops cleared that give beitsu or whatever, then likely Yorc alluvion for 119 armor since that is so easy to do via wing drops, all very casual friendly.

So need stuff from vagary to upgrade. Vagary access requires trading a certain item from a certain monster to an Odyssean Passage in Leafalia. Odyssean Passage's already exist elsewhere and are used to enter the lobby of monstrosity...

Therefore SE is clearly about to revive monstrosity by making it required to get the item to enter new content for 119 af3 :p

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Originally Posted by dasva

Therefore SE is clearly about to revive monstrosity by making it required to get the item to enter new content for 119 af3 :p

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I applaud your effort good sir.

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Originally Posted by dasva

So need stuff from vagary to upgrade. Vagary access requires trading a certain item from a certain monster to an Odyssean Passage in Leafalia. Odyssean Passage's already exist elsewhere and are used to enter the lobby of monstrosity...

Therefore SE is clearly about to revive monstrosity by making it required to get the item to enter new content for 119 af3 :p

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There are 3 entrances, and the event is for af3, 3 x 3 = 9

to equip 119 armor you need to be level 99.

99 / 9 = 11

illuminati confirmed.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

There are 3 entrances, and the event is for af3, 3 x 3 = 9

to equip 119 armor you need to be level 99.

99 / 9 = 11

illuminati confirmed.

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Actually there are 4 entrances and from the sounds of it 5 after this update.

Oh so close you almost had it

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Originally Posted by dasva

Actually there are 4 entrances and from the sounds of it 5 after this update.

Oh so close you almost had it

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I was talking about the gates to Vagary

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Originally Posted by Ulth

I was talking about the gates to Vagary

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Damn tricky illuminati

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Because people aren't throwing millions of gil at alluvion skirmish stones? Anyway they are not going to be rare/ex because they will also be used for crafting superior 2 equipment. Again like with the relic item and delve. Gabbrath Horn is used for reforging relic heads to 119, but is also used for making Tati Earrings.

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The final bosses will drop materials crucial for synergizing item level 119 and Superior 2 equipment, as well as items necessary for reforging Empyrean Armor to item level 119.

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It sounds like these will be different items.

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Originally Posted by Ramzi

True for some pieces, not so much for others. I guess Bards will be happy with 109 for now.

I don't think the 119 pieces will be easy to get - quite the contrary. If I was just gearing up a job or two I guess I wouldn't see it as much as an inconvenience, but I'd probably want to upgrade 10 empy sets, so that's a lot of extra farming/grinding to do so. We still don't know what items will be needed to upgrade to 109- maybe that won't be easy either, aside from the chapters.

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On the other hand, there's stuff will likely only be worth upgrading to 109 for a macro piece and not worth bringing to 119 for the extra stat vomit.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

On the other hand, there's stuff will likely only be worth upgrading to 109 for a macro piece and not worth bringing to 119 for the extra stat vomit.

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I doubt it would be that many pieces. For that to happen it would either have to have some other valuable macro stat added on at 109 that wasn't on the af3+2 but increase the value of it at 119 or it would have to increase one of the already macro stats on the af3+2 but not increase it more at 119. Which I don't think they have done on the af/af2 pieces. My prediction 99% of anything you'd want to bring from +2 to 109 you'll want to bring to 119 though maybe not enough to justify the cost. While some will only be worth 119ing (assuming you have decent 119 sets for that job as is)

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Originally Posted by dasva

It also assumes that maybe not everyone has 119 already... shock and horror

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Yeah... none of my jobs are in full 119 yet... and 109 empy actually will be better than what I have in some slots/jobs, given at least it has some nice job specific stats on it. Heck, can't wait to have even 109 for my whm and bard since I still use a lot of empy on both of them. Will be nice to have slightly better than a wet paper bag defense on my bard...