[Dev] PS2 User Poll

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Hello Verytus, is there any insight as to what SE plans to do with ps2 as it relates to ffxi? And will SE ever put ffxi on the ps3 console?

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Both these questions were answered, specifically. They planned to keep supporting the PS2, but not add content to it outside of Japan. They also said, more than once, that they weren't gonna release it on the PS3.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Hello Verytus, is there any insight as to what SE plans to do with ps2 as it relates to ffxi? And will SE ever put ffxi on the ps3 console?

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Verytus is simply the gods' minion. You would need to speak to the gods themselves for that answer.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Hello Verytus, is there any insight as to what SE plans to do with ps2 as it relates to ffxi? And will SE ever put ffxi on the ps3 console?

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1. they will continue to support the PS2. (They've stated this multiple times) (Just no Expansion for NA market)
2. PS3 version? I would say no, because the PS4 will be announced either next year or 2014 at the latest. You'd just be trading 1 outdated system for another.

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Originally Posted by Teraniku

1. they will continue to support the PS2. (They've stated this multiple times) (Just no Expansion for NA market)
2. PS3 version? I would say no, because the PS4 will be announced either next year or 2014 at the latest. You'd just be trading 1 outdated system for another.

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I believe I directed that question to Verytus, reason being is to see if he have any new information on the issue. However ffxi already exist on 360 which is a much older console than ps3 and ps4 will not be launch in awhile, for all we know it could have several push backs or launch delays.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I believe I directed that question to Verytus, reason being is to see if he have any new information on the issue. However ffxi already exist on 360 which is a much older console than ps3 and ps4 will not be launch in awhile, for all we know it could have several push backs or launch delays.

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Veryrus = GM
GM = Forum god
Rep = Person who talks to devs about whats happening

You need to ask reps for that form of question, not GMs. I doubt GMs know much more than we do honestly.

the 360 is about 1 year older than the PS3, you could even say maybe a few months at that tops.

Also a lot of the 360 users will tell you that the version on the 360 isn't anywhere near as good as PC (or even in some cases PS2)

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Veryrus = GM
GM = Forum god
Rep = Person who talks to devs about whats happening

You need to ask reps for that form of question, not GMs. I doubt GMs know much more than we do honestly.

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Well hopefully Veryrus can pass this information to a rep so they can give ps2 users the latest information on this issue. I would like to know where they stand on the ps2 issue, because it would be exceedingly unfair to have the new expansion available for ps2 in japan and not supported or available for ps2 in NA.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Well hopefully Veryrus can pass this information to a rep so they can give ps2 users the latest information on this issue. I would like to know where they stand on the ps2 issue, because it would be exceedingly unfair to have the new expansion available for ps2 in japan and not supported or available for ps2 in NA.

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No offense but like I have said before SE is not a company you should look at for being fair to NA on games. Almost every game made for PS2 by Square Enix has had more content in Japan than in NA. Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy X, Final Fantasy XII, Star Ocean, many others are much the same, and thats why this doesn't surprise me. I hope they are fair about it, I have no problems with them putting it on the PS2 for NA, but I am simply trying to help you understand why they probably wont be.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Well hopefully Veryrus can pass this information to a rep so they can give ps2 users the latest information on this issue. I would like to know where they stand on the ps2 issue, because it would be exceedingly unfair to have the new expansion available for ps2 in japan and not supported or available for ps2 in NA.

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I'm gonna go ahead and say you're desperately trying to troll. I pointed out earlier SEs stand on SoA being ported to PS2 in NA. But just in case you were too busy pointing out spelling errors, or what year it is, here it is again.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,
I’d like to take a moment to clarify which platform Seekers of Adoulin will be available on for those that have been asking. We will continue to support North American FINAL FANTASY XI players on the PlayStation 2, Xbox 360 and PC (Windows) platforms. However, FINAL FANTASY XI: Seekers of Adoulin will only be available on the Xbox 360 and Windows platforms in North America when it is released in 2013.

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First of all, the 360 version came out 6 years ago, on what was basically a new (read as: not soon to be replaced) system. Porting the game to a system (PS3) that is probably going to be replaced by a newer system (PS4) before they even finish porting it doesn't make any sense.

Second, I understand why users who already have a PS3/4 would want them to port it over, but I have absolutely no idea what that has to do with PS2 players. Why would you want them to port it to a console that will cost you $400+ to purchase, when you could get a PC (Which you probably already own) that plays the game better for cheaper?

Edit: on a side note, I played for several years on PS2 and 360 and with the exception of the minor growing pains I went through in getting my 360 wireless controller to work on my PC correctly, I find the PC experience to be better in every way.

/em goes to harass Microsoft Some more about making a driver that works with FFXI correctly so that I don't have to use these unsigned JP drivers any more.

Please... just drop the PS3 port debate. This was asked and answered by SE back when they announced FF14. Can't remember it exactly, but you may find it out there translated on one of the blogs at E3 or something (think it was 2009?).

Basically, the panel explained when they explored the prospect of bringing an MMO to the PS3, they wanted to make it the best they could, in comparison to the current market. Note the key point there....the best compared to everyone else at the time. This was nearly a DECADE after FFXI's development started---the genre had a LOT more expected of games now. They decided it would be best to develop a NEW GAME, with new mechanics, new features---in general, a new way of doing things to compete with what was considered the new norm in the genre.

Porting FFXI, even with a complete new graphics engine, would NOT accomplish this goal. So, they decided to make a new game for the PS3 . They have made it quite clear multiple times that they were committed to investing the resources into a NEW GAME for the PS3 console instead of trying to rehash FFXI into a v2.0 launch just for the PS3

Just think of the mess that would have created in 2010. SE announces a new FFXI that (due to hardware constraints) could ONLY be played on the PS3, PC, and XB360, and that PS2 support would completely end soon. Even if they extended PS2 support for like 1 year after FFXI v2.0 launches, you would have a crapstorm of kickback from these die-hard PS2 users because they would have to buy a new platform to play on....wait....isn't that what's going on now? Well except that they can STILL PLAY ON THE PS2 (just not SoA outside JP client)....

Seems like either way, PS2 users would eventually get kicked to the curb in some fashion, as the console ages and is eventually phased out of the market itself. At least this way, you still have the option of continuing to play the older 10 years worth of content on your beloved PS2.

Be thankful for that at least....it could be MUCH worse.

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Originally Posted by Chilloa

I'm gonna go ahead and say you're desperately trying to troll. I pointed out earlier SEs stand on SoA being ported to PS2 in NA. But just in case you were too busy pointing out spelling errors, or what year it is, here it is again.

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I would say that this constitutes as a Flame, and the GM would take care of you for this

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Originally Posted by theflamemaster

I would say that this constitutes as a Flame, and the GM would take care of you for this

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With all this effort on your computer, you could be installing the game...

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Basically, the panel explained when they explored the prospect of bringing an MMO to the PS3, they wanted to make it the best they could, in comparison to the current market. Note the key point there....the best compared to everyone else at the time. This was nearly a DECADE after FFXI's development started---the genre had a LOT more expected of games now. They decided it would be best to develop a NEW GAME, with new mechanics, new features---in general, a new way of doing things to compete with what was considered the new norm in the genre.

Porting FFXI, even with a complete new graphics engine, would NOT accomplish this goal. So, they decided to make a new game for the PS3 . They have made it quite clear multiple times that they were committed to investing the resources into a NEW GAME for the PS3 console instead of trying to rehash FFXI into a v2.0 launch just for the PS3

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Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

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FFIV is a brilliant game, you can't expect FFXIV to be as tuned as FFXI as it hasn't been out 10 years to tune itself out, not that I'd call FFXI that anyway.

That said, they will do ANYTHING to make FFXIV popular for a few reasons.

1. They paid a fortune for it.
2. It has MUCH more room to grow.
3. It isn't 10 years old and dying.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

FFIV is a brilliant game, you can't expect FFXIV to be as tuned as FFXI as it hasn't been out 10 years to tune itself out, not that I'd call FFXI that anyway.

That said, they will do ANYTHING to make FFXIV popular for a few reasons.

1. They paid a fortune for it.
2. It has MUCH more room to grow.
3. It isn't 10 years old and dying.

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Are you sure its good, I have a couple of LS members come back after playing ffxiv for over a year. I asked them "Why you come back" and they told me they finished all the content in ffxiv and that ffxi is a better MMO and more challenging. No doubt ffxiv looks pretty and I'm thankful is going to launch on ps3, but I do hope SE revisit their stance on ffxi for ps3. A lot of people, like me, don't like pc gaming and furthermore don't want to chuck out the bucks for a 360 just to get one game. It would be worth SE time too launch ffxi on ps3 alot of people would buy it especially all the current ps2 users

Yes

(Put it on disc though, I want to read the manual for the PS2 new expansion while using the bathroom. ;) )

Cljader1, FFXIV of 1 year ago wasn't really good, but the FFXIV of today (and for the last 8-9 months) is beyond awesome. Don't listen to those that started playing and quit before all the recent changes, their opinions are no long valid because the game they remember doesn't exist anymore. These aren't minor changes, the entire battle system was reworked and there has been a ton of content added, so much that nobody can make the claim that they have done it all. The achievement system has expanded the amount of things to do to the point that some of the achievements won't be accomplished by anyone before 2.0.

If your friends say they accomplished all the content in FFXIV, they are lying to you. Do they have all the relic weapons and every achievement? I doubt they have the 500K seals achievement (I don't think anyone has that yet) and the ridiculous gil achievements. I seriously doubt they did these things in FFXIV, and that's just the hard stuff, there are countless of other things to do and there is new content released frequently so people always have stuff to works towards. I play both and I can tell you that I have MUCH more fun in FFXIV, cause it's doesn't waste time like FFXI does (camping NMs with horrible pop times and horrible drop rates, it becomes unfun the second you have to wait hours for something, only to have it claimed by someone else or, most likely, the drop never dropping. Not to mention finding parties to do anything that isn't new or recently revamped is the biggest waste of time. Since there's so much to do in FFXI, there really shouldn't be sooo many time wasters, that's where FFXIV wins and FFXI fails.)

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

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I hate PC gaming too. You can get controllers that are exactly the same lay out as PS2, or even get a connector to actually use the PS2 controller on the computer. I don't like playing anything with a mouse and keyboard so I don't use the keyboard for anything but chat in game. I control everything with my 360 controller. It is just like playing on the console, only with better graphics.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Ok I see your point, but ffxi is SE's cash cow for its MMO department. Moreover, from what I hear ffiv is not a good game and not as finely tuned as ffxi. If they want to put the best game on ps3 it should be ffxi, that's what everyone plays that's what everyone likes. I hate pc gaming and my comp is not built for that, I only game on consoles and I would hate to have to get an 360 literally just for one game. If they ended ps2 support and initiated the support on ps3 I think all ps2 users would be happy since ps2 users naturally graduate or move to ps3 anyway.

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Obviously, you dind't get the point.

SE has made it clear they have no desire to port the decade old FFXI to the PS3. They want FFXIV to be the MMO title built specifically for that platform. They are NOT going to invest in a re-write for FFXI for the PS3. They didn't even do that for the XB360--at it's core, it's the same game across all three platforms, only different versions of the wrapper (ie, POL client) specific to the platform.

To make FFXI run on the PS3, currently all that is needed is compliant emulation--so, technically it can already run on the PS3 and SE does not feel it is worthy of a rewrite for a whole new shell to run it on the PS3, as there is already a means to do it.

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And as Frank said...PC gaming or console gaming....the experience is more or less the same when it comes to FFXI, with the exception of better quality graphics (and soon, more up to date UI features). I have played FFXI on my PC with a PS2 controller since day one. There are even PC controllers that emulate PS2 (Logitech, MadCats, several companies have them).

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And again.. you keep coming back to your PC not being built for gaming. Just what exactly about your PC is holding you back from being able to play FFXI? You keep saying that, yet you have yet to state this specifically. It doesn't take a gaming rig to run FFXI. Intel Graphics have been able to run FFXI for almost 8 years now. It can run on netbook ffs....most any an APU system from the past 4 years or so can run it. My IBM laptop (an office machine, mind you, built solely to demo mock websites and apps on it) would be able to run it if I only had a better ATI card in it. If I still had access to the office's docking station, I could drop in one of my old PCI cards and run the game--it meets all the specs except for proper hardware TNL support.

FFXI will run on a PENTIUM III System. We are talking about technology that was in the mainstream BEFORE FFXI was released for PC (P3-800 MHz were released in 1999). So, again....just what is it about your system that prevents it from being capable of running FFXI?

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Obviously, you dind't get the point.

SE has made it clear they have no desire to port the decade old FFXI to the PS3. They want FFXIV to be the MMO title built specifically for that platform. They are NOT going to invest in a re-write for FFXI for the PS3. They didn't even do that for the XB360--at it's core, it's the same game across all three platforms, only different versions of the wrapper (ie, POL client) specific to the platform.

To make FFXI run on the PS3, currently all that is needed is compliant emulation--so, technically it can already run on the PS3 and SE does not feel it is worthy of a rewrite for a whole new shell to run it on the PS3, as there is already a means to do it.

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And as Frank said...PC gaming or console gaming....the experience is more or less the same when it comes to FFXI, with the exception of better quality graphics (and soon, more up to date UI features). I have played FFXI on my PC with a PS2 controller since day one. There are even PC controllers that emulate PS2 (Logitech, MadCats, several companies have them).

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And again.. you keep coming back to your PC not being built for gaming. Just what exactly about your PC is holding you back from being able to play FFXI? You keep saying that, yet you have yet to state this specifically. It doesn't take a gaming rig to run FFXI. Intel Graphics have been able to run FFXI for almost 8 years now. It can run on netbook ffs....most any an APU system from the past 4 years or so can run it. My IBM laptop (an office machine, mind you, built solely to demo mock websites and apps on it) would be able to run it if I only had a better ATI card in it. If I still had access to the office's docking station, I could drop in one of my old PCI cards and run the game--it meets all the specs except for proper hardware TNL support.

FFXI will run on a PENTIUM III System. We are talking about technology that was in the mainstream BEFORE FFXI was released for PC (P3-800 MHz were released in 1999). So, again....just what is it about your system that prevents it from being capable of running FFXI?

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I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't buy my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA. Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA. Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??

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Say what???

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

I already told you games don't play well on my comp, incredible lags, freezes, slow frame transitions; it nice that you get your games to play with all those factors involved. But unlike you I didn't my cpu for gaming, I do not like pc gaming, having a controller that emulate ps2 is nice and I do know about them, I much rather have an option to play ffxi on ps3 or have SE support new content on ps2 in NA.

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And we keep asking wtf you're using that can't handle a 10 year old game, yet you still have no response other than "it can't play it". So again, how bout those PC specs to back up your claims that you can't run it on the PC?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Its really stupid to support new content for ps2 in Japan and not support new content for ps2 in NA, for God sakes ps2 is a NA system so how is it only getting support for new content in Japan??

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No it's not.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

And we keep asking wtf you're using that can't handle a 10 year old game, yet you still have no response other than "it can't play it". So again, how bout those PC specs to back up your claims that you can't run it on the PC?

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It really doesn't even matter what I'm using, because pc gaming is not enjoyable to me. I have a toshiba laptop with a AMD Sempron processor, had it for about 2 years and it has gotten considerably slower probably due to past programming problems and infections. However, I brought a low power cpu for browsing and that is only what I use it for.

PS2... a NA system?
Sony makers of PS2 is a company based in Japan as you can see in this link where it says "Headquarters"...

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

It really doesn't even matter what I'm using, because pc gaming is not enjoyable to me. I have a toshiba laptop with a AMD Sempron processor, had it for about 2 years and it has gotten considerably slower probably due to past programming problems and infections. However, I brought a low power cpu for browsing and that is only what I use it for.

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There are methods to display your PC's screen onto your TV, same as it would be for PS2. There are methods to attach a PS2 controller to a PC, same as it would be on PS2. This alone, completely voids any reason you would not like PC gaming.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

No it's not.

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If ps2 is not a NA system, then I stand corrected.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

If ps2 is not a NA system, then I stand corrected.

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Sony is a Japanese company.
The Playstation 2 was made and owned by Sony.
You are corrected.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

It really doesn't even matter what I'm using, because pc gaming is not enjoyable to me. I have a toshiba laptop with a AMD Sempron processor, had it for about 2 years and it has gotten considerably slower probably due to past programming problems and infections. However, I brought a low power cpu for browsing and that is only what I use it for.

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FYI, I played this game for almost 2 years on a Sempron.....just saying...

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Best I can remember, it was 2GHz Barton (2004), think it was an Asus A7N8 board... with ATI 9600 AIW Pro (2003 with built-in Video capture, cable card, 800/600 video out...was a sweet card), 4 x 1GB memory.... and an X1900 Pro series (2006)--both ran the game near flawlessly at 1024/768. Installed it with the AIW, then flipped it to eht x1900 for better overclocking for other games. I later went back to Intel based systems again. I may still have the board and processor stashed in the closet---think it was what I was going to rebuild my daughter's PC with, but she opted for a laptop instead.

I've run this game on Celemines, Core2D, Thunderbird/Sempron, and now a Core2 Duo. As already stated...it does NOT take a gaming machine to run it....otherwise people would not have reported getting it to run on a NETBOOK.

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

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They probably don't want to pay to stamp out thousands of discs that aren't likely to sell....it's basic economics.

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

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Those PS2 users would need a computer to do that. And you know, they would have to be able to at least run Internet Explorer. But not everyone builds a computer to run Internet Explorer. Shoot.

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Originally Posted by Chilloa

Those PS2 users would need a computer to do that. And you know, they would have to be able to at least run Internet Explorer. But not everyone builds a computer to run Internet Explorer. Shoot.

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Huh, what are you talking about?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

Huh, what are you talking about?

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The typical internet shopper has a PC/laptop to use. Did you seriously not get that?

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Originally Posted by Cljader1

New expansion still need to be made available on ps2 there space on the hdd, if SE is worried about the shelf space at the local gamestop, then make the ps2 expansion disc purchasable through internet only. Ps2 users can purchase the disk online and then the problems solved.

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It's not shelf space they are worried about. It's the actual costs involved for making the expansion for NA PS2 users. Any manufacturer that would print the NA discs for PS2 would require a minimum amount of discs to be printed. This is usually in the area of 3,000 to 5,000 discs. Then they have to be distributed etc. I would gather that there are less than 3,000 people who play exclusively on PS2 in the NA region. It doesn't make sense to print 3-5k copies when your only going to sell 1k if they are lucky at most. It just isn't cost effective.

You wanna know whose to blame for that? Consumers in the NA market. PS2 is an obsolete system. Most (if not all) retailers do not even carry PS2s and/or PS2 games anymore. Its sound reason that a PS2 version of Seekers for Retail Stores wouldn't last more than a week on their shelves seeing as newer games on newer consoles (your CoDs, Lego XXXXXXX Series, Maddens etc) would sell better and for much more. Plus you have to factor in the costs to make the retail discs and ship them out. Stores like Gamestop wont carry SoA for the PS2 as its not cost-effective. They dont really even sell 'NEW' PS2 games anymore. I can understand SEs logic to not release a PS2 version over here. It wouldn't sell. Simple as that. Doesn't take a major in Economics to figure that out. There are other (sometimes better) platforms in which to play XI on these days, and considering the Poll SE did (I believe) last year, most users over in NA and EU play either on PC or the 360

Well this whole PS2 expansion issue has finally done one thing. Ended the whole "PS2 limitations" argument.

Most Asian players have migrated away from the PS2 to the PC or the 360 for this game. The PS2 is in all likely hood not anymore commonly used in Japan when playing this game than outside. I see the announcement of the PS2 Japanese release more as a formality than anything myself.

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Most Asian players have migrated away from the PS2 to the PC or the 360 for this game. The PS2 is in all likely hood not anymore commonly used in Japan when playing this game than outside. I see the announcement of the PS2 Japanese release more as a formality than anything myself.

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Any proof, or are you just posting baseless facts?

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Originally Posted by Laraul

Well this whole PS2 expansion issue has finally done one thing. Ended the whole "PS2 limitations" argument.

Most Asian players have migrated away from the PS2 to the PC or the 360 for this game. The PS2 is in all likely hood not anymore commonly used in Japan when playing this game than outside. I see the announcement of the PS2 Japanese release more as a formality than anything myself.

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Actually, most Asians still play it on the PS2, it's still hugely popular there.

well, what I see they didnt say they are dropping PS2 support.. with japan release their PS2 version more likely NA/EU will follow later on... and I still use PS2 FFXI on my PS3, its been 8 years lol.