Can we have an update on the situation.

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Originally Posted by Selzak

I was referring mostly to you and the princess (lol, internet) you seem to be white-knighting, but what makes you think that the moderators of this forum are going to have more info about the power shortage in Japan than CNN? SE (much less some random forum moderator) doesn't know anything more than what the government is announcing at this point.



Hey, I didn't say the moderators were Martians! I don't get what you're trying to say!

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I"m not white-knighting anyone, just pointing out the posts i enjoy reading :)

And the fact they work for Square Enix I would assume means they would be privy to information about the company's plans i myself would not be. Perhaps this is an unreasonable assumption, but i don't think so :)

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Originally Posted by Starr

Nattack is a cool guy

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Apparantly he is very well-educated, smart, and compassionate also :)

But all that aside, i'm sure he's not so smart as to not benefit from a genius like Socrates, so maybe he should take that quote to heart

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Originally Posted by Dale

I"m not white-knighting anyone, just pointing out the posts i enjoy reading :)

And the fact they work for Square Enix I would assume means they would be privy to information about the company's plans i myself would not be. Perhaps this is an unreasonable assumption, but i don't think so :)

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It's an unreasonable assumption when the company's plans may consist of:

1) The servers are down until Japan's power situation settles down.
2) The servers are going to be copied to laptops with alien batteries to sustain them during the rolling blackouts.

...and they are forum moderators.


The original argument made was that they were spending too much time moderating (doing their job) when they should be helping to get the game back up quicker (not their job) or updating us on the power situation in Japan and calling company CEO's to ask them "are we there yet daddy?"(not their job). One is certainly less ridiculous than the other, but both deserved to be called out.

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Originally Posted by Dale

Apparantly he is very well-educated, smart, and compassionate also :)

But all that aside, i'm sure he's not so smart as to not benefit from a genius like Socrates, so maybe he should take that quote to heart

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You are a terrible person

what does socrates have to do with having common sense, if he was so bright he would have geniused himself out of the death penalty

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Originally Posted by Macrom

I kinda gather that everyone has their Opinion on what posts are posted, some ppl are out to bash on those that just want the servers up, some are out to bash on people just to bash on people lol, I know for a fact that everyone on this forum cant wait for the servers to be back up and running, i am one of those people trust me. Everyone is looking for more information, i would love to wake up and see japan back to what it was...... but i know it will be awhile, SE says a week..... outstanding. But seeing the pictures and hearing the news i honestly can say if the servers are down for a week right on, if they are down for a month, well right on also.

The OP asked a simple question, has anyone heard any info or and update on what is going on. I can say no i have not heard anything other than Japan is a mess right now. Im not here to say ppl that want to get back and play the game we all love are wrong, im also not here to say that ppl dont care. im here saying that our friends need our thoughts and support and with all this bickering about whos right and whos wrong just aggrivates us more.

Patience my friends, FFXI will be there when things get sorted out. SE said they need to conserve power so watch the news, CNN NBC ABC or whatever you get and when its time we all will know it.

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Finally someone that made sense of the BS ... i watch everything i can to see whats going on in JP i only come here to see if there was any new updates and im so tired of reading people bitching at people... granted some people said some messed up stuff... and maybe they should be punished but leave that for karma.... would be great if people stuck to posts that were relevant and if a person is speaking misinformed ... inform them politely and move on ;p

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Originally Posted by Nattack

what does socrates have to do with having common sense, if he was so bright he would have geniused himself out of the death penalty

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Well Nattack why am i not surprised you think you're smarter than socrates too :)

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Originally Posted by Starr

You are a terrible person

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Now that hurts my feelings Starr...that you think i'm a terrible person ; ;

It is a well-known fact that philosophers have absolutely no common sense. You can't have a deep, stimulating, three day debate over whether or not a table exists and have common sense too.

That's what happens when you google quotes though.


I'm just being mean now, my point(s) have been clearly made. Peace.

I'm gonna take a back seat here and watch Dale become a king

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Originally Posted by Selzak

It's an unreasonable assumption when the company's plans may consist of:

1) The servers are down until Japan's power situation settles down.
2) The servers are going to be copied to laptops with alien batteries to sustain them during the rolling blackouts.

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Well we can just agree to disagree. I think during times like this they should make an extra effort to try and keep their customers informed, especially if they are finding the time to fuss about my forum postings :)

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Originally Posted by Dale

Well Nattack why am i not surprised you think you're smarter than socrates too :)

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wat. well by scale of what we know now, and what we knew then, yes.

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It is a well-known fact that philosophers have absolutely no common sense. You can't have a deep, stimulating, three day debate over whether or not a table exists and have common sense too.

That's what happens when you google quotes though.


I'm just being mean now, my point(s) have been clearly made. Peace.

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The trick is to get other people to say your points have clearly been made. Anyone can toot their own whistle lol

Nice to see that some of the ramblings from people have dispersed.

Now back to the basics of this forum post. All we want to know is the progress being made to bringing the servers back up and as paying customers, some of us feel we have a right to know.

Now... SE..... are you going to tell us what you are doing to resolve the downtime? Or continue to listen to us complain about no info here on this forum.... over and over, and over.

There's a simple answer, break your silence and let us know what's going on so we can stop complaining. Makes me wonder if SE really even cares to read these forums at all.

there was actually a note yesterday. on the main page.

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Originally Posted by Dale

The trick is to get other people to say your points have clearly been made. Anyone can toot their own whistle lol

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Really? I never could do that.

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there was actually a note yesterday. on the main page.

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Think that was about the version update wasn't it? Which if it was, has absolutely nothing to do with the server downtime, which is the purpose of this thread.

no sir, it was a letter from the producer i believe. on ffxiv,

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no sir, it was a letter from the producer i believe. on ffxiv,

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Thank you for calling me "sir". Respectful and I like that. It's nice that you put that in here, but that note only speaks of the current situation of their employees in Japan and the updates planned for FFXIV. Again, that has nothing to do with the developers of FFXI and the downtime for that game. But, people will find that if they want to know about the situation of SE in general, that letter is a great read so thank you for sharing it.

Again, SE needs to give us information on the progress towards getting FFXI servers back up. Where are you SE?

they are probly just getting to work atm... the time difference always messes with my head.

Japan was hoping to get power to the waterpumps sometime on Friday. Hopefully they can make some progress to that end and start to turn the situation around so we can get some official predictions by Monday.

Hang in there guys. It's not like we're having to wait what...2 years to port it to another region.

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It would be very good to know what they are doing even if they cant give use any kinda of timeframe, I mean what is the long term plan? wait for power to return to normality which will mosty likely mean it will be weeks rather than the days indicated by the announcement. Or are they actually copying the game data and moving it to another location like somewhere in the US or Europe?, just watch em move it all to LA.

On another note I find it interesting that the producer of FFXIV has made a statement (the free MMO) and there is no FFXI statement (the one which until this diaster, was the only one making any cash it was bring in £1.2M as a ball park figure per month)

I reiterate it isnt the fact that their has been a diaster which is annoying people it the lack of information on SE's long term plans with reguard to the server status

If I had to hazard a guess... they are holding out hope that things will turn around and they will get the go ahead from TEPCO and the Government to "turn the lights back on" again. The fact that they are able to stay just ahead of the power demand thorughout most of the day now with the rolling blackouts is encouraging I guess. Means that once they effectively get more power to the grid, things can start to pickup again. Just how long that takes and how much the situation improves...we'll just have to see.

And btw...WTF are those 60MW generators from GE? Still haven't seen any more news on them....

Raist

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Originally Posted by Gadanae

Nice to see that some of the ramblings from people have dispersed.

Now back to the basics of this forum post. All we want to know is the progress being made to bringing the servers back up and as paying customers, some of us feel we have a right to know.

Now... SE..... are you going to tell us what you are doing to resolve the downtime? Or continue to listen to us complain about no info here on this forum.... over and over, and over.

There's a simple answer, break your silence and let us know what's going on so we can stop complaining. Makes me wonder if SE really even cares to read these forums at all.

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The GMs here are your average employees, they don't know a damn thing, and do not have any way to get a hold of anyone in the higher tier management.

Moving servers are a much greater endeavor then you think, there is alot involved to just set them up, let alone hook them up, and even move them safely.

What do you want to hear? the same thing over and over? SE said "at least a week" how hard is this to understand in English? its has not been a week yet, so no new info.

You also keep saying SE needs to do the responsible thing..... well guess what they are, they are being responsible thing by not charging us for April, and keeping the servers off till things are a bit more stable.

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Originally Posted by Silvermane

It would be very good to know what they are doing even if they cant give use any kinda of timeframe, I mean what is the long term plan? wait for power to return to normality which will mosty likely mean it will be weeks rather than the days indicated by the announcement. Or are they actually copying the game data and moving it to another location like somewhere in the US or Europe?, just watch em move it all to LA.

On another note I find it interesting that the producer of FFXIV has made a statement (the free MMO) and there is no FFXI statement (the one which until this diaster, was the only one making any cash it was bring in £1.2M as a ball park figure per month)

I reiterate it isnt the fact that their has been a diaster which is annoying people it the lack of information on SE's long term plans with reguard to the server status

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Thank you, thank you, thank you, another soul that understands exactly what my points are. And worded very well too! To all the trollers, please listen to this man and then go troll on another forum.

Totally not interested in hearing how we are terrible people because we want a business to be responsible for it's services and gives us a timeframe of the downtime rather then just stabs in the dark. SO TROLL SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I don't think that word means what you think what it means, they brought up a valid argument.

They're still evaluating the situation so just wait until you hear word until you can pass judgment on the progress they're making, a lot of things happen behind the scenes you just don't know about.

not trolling.. jsut saying... that this is the problem with what you are asking:

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we want a business to be responsible for it's services and gives us a timeframe of the downtime rather then just stabs in the dark.

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Apparently the situation is not stable enough for them to give any definitive response like you want. Anything they give at this point in time would likely be just that.. another stab in the dark.

They gave you a time frame. Think of it like this...we are going bai bai. |See you Soon!| 1 |week|.

Raist

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I don't think that word means what you think what it means, they brought up a valid argument.

They're still evaluating the situation so just wait until you hear word until you can pass judgment on the progress they're making, a lot of things happen behind the scenes you just don't know about.

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I will admit, you're right. I'm not there to see exactly what's going on, I have no clue of what they are struggling with and what steps they have taken to get the servers back on. THAT'S WHY THIS THREAD WAS CREATED. This thread is a request to SE to break their silence and tell us what they are struggling with, what plans have they made, what's the deal.

What is it with the Japanese culture and keeping everything so hush hush and downplayed? How hard is it to tell us what's truly up? They are not only doing it here with this game but the government of Japan has been downplaying the nuclear crisis over there to the point that Americans are not listening to the Japanese warnings, they are listening to our American warnings and getting out of the country.

The point I'm trying to make is this: Why be so dam secretive? Just tell us what's up!

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not trolling.. jsut saying... that this is the problem with what you are asking:



Apparently the situation is not stable enough for them to give any definitive response like you want. Anything they give at this point in time would likely be just that.. another stab in the dark.

They gave you a time frame. Think of it like this...we are going bai bai. |See you Soon!| 1 |week|.

Raist

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Raist you never cease to make me lol. I truly value your opinion and I love the bai bai thing. Only question I got is this.... .ummm the quote from Neisan is not the right quote in your post.... how'd that happen?

I would rather see them use that time to get things figured out and up and running instead of taking time out to give updates every few hours.

yeah I love how someone who is thinking rationally and sensibly, is trolling, I love the internet.

Pride, CYA routine, management restructuring within the company... who knows. They are always slow to put information out there. But they did give a time frame for us to expect anything to happen. They didn't say up to one week. They specifically said AT LEAST ONE WEEK.

How about giving them that one week before you start demanding more info. If I say it will take one week for your part to arrive before I can fix your car, and I'll call you when it gets here. Don't start hounding me for details on it 3 days later. My response will be, when the part gets here, I can tell you more. But as far as I know it will be 1 week till the part arrives. I'll call you when it gets here. Don't get your feathers ruffled when the response is the same when the status is the same.

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Raist you never cease to make me lol. I truly value your opinion and I love the bai bai thing. Only question I got is this.... .ummm the quote from Neisan is not the right quote in your post.... how'd that happen?

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stupid sticky keys or something... this POS laptop is chocking on 3 twitter streams and a live video veed in the background.

Raist

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Originally Posted by Mordanthos

Can we get some sort of update on the situation and estimated time for reinstatement of the servers. I check everyday and almost every couple hours to the information section, and still not a single thing since march 13th. Kind of annoying. Would like to at least know whats going on, before its a last minute thing thats like, OH HAI GUISE, WE WONT BRING SERVERS UP TILL NEXT WEEK, AND WE COULDA TOLD U THIS EARLIER BUT WE DIDNT FEEL LIKE IT.

Idk, im just sick of hoping for some information on servers coming up, or at least something that says, oh hey, we are fine, the servers will be up on sunday, or they wont be up sunday. something plz, im tired of not knowing a thing.

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this is the OP, bold text it what to really look at, this right here shows that he never cared to even wait the week SE gave originally, thus making the thread pointless to begin with. The OP was not asking a simple question, he was being impatient like many others here, it has not even been a week, and that is what "at least a week" means

They should just have multi servers like a read in another post . . .Like many other mmos have. I am sorry for what happened in japan and i am glad they did what they did by taking the servers down. But in a business mans stand point wouldn't servers in other locations be better ? I mean they wouldn't lose money like they will in april if they had a server in USA, Europe and any other country they cater to.

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I would rather see them use that time to get things figured out and up and running instead of taking time out to give updates every few hours.

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Ok, where in this did you see me request updates every few hours? IT"S BEEN FOUR DAYS. A smidgen of info would be nice at this moment. A miniscule drop. Something to tie people over. NOT updates every few hours, that's just ridiculous. But please don't tell me that the producers of FFXI cannot make time to write a simple note on the plans and progress of getting the servers back up and running. After all, the producer of FFXIV did.

I don't know about you guys, but I have this sneaking feeling that we'll all be waiting with anticipation for SUN/MON to arrive, and the servers will be up, and SE will at THAT point tell us SORRY, TRY AGAIN!. And then another week, and then another, and then another with no word. It's just what I have come to expect from this company after doing business with it for many years. And it's a bad way to do business and they need to break that trend now and give us updates, at the very least every 2 days or so would be nice.

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this is the OP, bold text it what to really look at, this right here shows that he never cared to even wait the week SE gave originally, thus making the thread pointless to begin with. The OP was not asking a simple question, he was being impatient like many others here, it has not even been a week, and that is what "at least a week" means

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[Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XI FORUM Guidelines.] He's asking for more info to be provided to us now, not wait a week to tell us that we are going to wait another week. He wants an update on the progress. That's what those that support this thread are asking for.

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Use your brain! They have power outage everyday for 3-4 hours.

All you need to know is online; if they got the power back up and stable I'm sure SE will turn the servers back on.

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Originally Posted by jeffanddane

They should just have multi servers like a read in another post . . .Like many other mmos have. I am sorry for what happened in japan and i am glad they did what they did by taking the servers down. But in a business mans stand point wouldn't servers in other locations be better ? I mean they wouldn't lose money like they will in april if they had a server in USA, Europe and any other country they cater to.

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because the game could not function properly that way for just $13 USD a month. The bandwidth to synchronize all that data to support the game worlds for players across all regions, pay the additional ISP fees, dealing with differing regional laws, hiring the additional staff.. the overhead would shoot through the roof. That's just the obvious reasons.

To effectively do what you are asking, the game's player base would need to be striclty divided by region (NA only play with NA, and their would be JP only servers, the two regions couldn't play together--think Blizzard's Diabolo series) in order to manage it more effectively. For whatever reason, SE was determined to keep each game world open to all regions, and for logistically and financially, I'm sure it looked a heck of a lot better to house them all in one location. The choice for that location (Japan versus other nations) is open to another debate...but sure they had their reasons for that as well.

It is what it is. Would have never been an issue if not for the first disaster I am aware of that could/would have affected uptime in roughly a decade. Another disaster (fire, tornado, hurricane) could have had the same end effect elsewhere. Sometimes things just happen that are beyond our control.

Raist

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Originally Posted by jeffanddane

They should just have multi servers like a read in another post . . .Like many other mmos have. I am sorry for what happened in japan and i am glad they did what they did by taking the servers down. But in a business mans stand point wouldn't servers in other locations be better ? I mean they wouldn't lose money like they will in april if they had a server in USA, Europe and any other country they cater to.

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A valid point, and good business sense. SE should take a hint from these posts and when they have recovered from this disaster, take steps to do just what is mentioned here so this does not happen again. Personally if I ran a business and had to eat the profit loss of a month's revenue just because I wasn't prepared for something like this, I would make dam sure that if it could slightly even happen again I would be ready the next time it does.

Exactly, its been 4 days, they said at least a week. Wait a couple more days and I'm sure you will get your update. If theres no new news by then i'm sure alot more ppl will be getting upset about it and voicing their feelings about it.