SE really?! really 99 cap boss this hard?!?!

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Originally Posted by Finuve

get a tank that doesnt suck, even if he gets light off it should not kill, and by the time the animation is playing for the second WS you will ALWAYS have enough time for a stun
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so use strat I mentioned, find tank that doesnt die from Light, make sure stunner can fricking stun

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Good idea. I'll just hop down to the auction house and grab one. How many gil you suppose they go for and what category is that in?

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Good idea. I'll just hop down to the auction house and grab one. How many gil you suppose they go for and what category is that in?

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they are in the "your gear obviously sucks /kick from party and get a new one" section

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Originally Posted by Zarchery

Good idea. I'll just hop down to the auction house and grab one. How many gil you suppose they go for and what category is that in?

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Look under "Finuve is a Clown" category and they go for roughly 180 million gil. Takes a good 2 weeks for them to get delivered.

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Originally Posted by Smokinskull

Bailing, I find that very funny. What else should I have to prove? That A. People are lazy, B. People rather go straight to abyssea and not learn there jobs C. People have 0 Skill when it come to something hard out side of abyssea, and D. Herp Derp therefore Gimpness.

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Truth right here.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Yes, I am. I have PLD 95, NIN 95 and THF 95. My PLD gear is too average since I just came back 3 weeks ago, so most people wont even invite me on my PLD. My NIN and THF don't DD it enough for all the burn parties so they don't want that.

I have now been 95 MNK for less than 12 hours and I am actually getting tells for random LB invites. That's BS.

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wait wait wait.. wtf dude, 4 pages ago you were accusing "US" of not being good enough at our jobs to beat maat, so "WE" had to lvl whm to beat him on that.. but YOU can't beat new taru maat on your jobs so you lvled another one to make it easier? because your paladin is too average? and your nin and thf don't do enough dmg...

lemme ask you this, that fancy maat fight you keep flashing as a badge of honor, did you just show up and beat it within 3 weeks of having not played for.. how long? or were your skills capped? where they at least close to capped because back then you couldn't burn job lvls? did you really look into gear? did you maybe get food or meds? or did you just roll in naked, or in whatever you happened to be wearing, relevant skills 5-10 job levels gimp? (more if you lvled your jobs in aby. i don't blame you if they're underskilled, aby xp's faster than you can skillup. but be honest with yourself here..)

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Look under "Finuve is a Clown" category and they go for roughly 180 million gil. Takes a good 2 weeks for them to get delivered.

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I'm the clown that can at least beat an easy BCNM fight

There are many ways to beat this, there's no single right or wrong way. I've said it in the other thread already. Dont try to cookie cut and paste the same strategy. Use a strategy that is based on your party member's strength and try to cover each other's weakness. If you plan on using tail item, make sure you have nukers who can land decent nukes. DoT, etc, etc.

Also, i.wing, acc food, def food, etc, along with cap skill, tanks with DT-, fast acting stunners, fast healers, DDs who knows how to switch to DT- gears, etc. Again, it's all skill and/or smart on how to build your pt to win. Cookie cutting template without regard to the actual member's skills (weapon/magic type as well as reaction time) wont do. If you have Tanks that needs help in gaining (or regaining) hate, bring a THF to sata. Or SAM/THF, etc. etc.

I dont necessarily want to say this LB is a walk in the park but all it takes is some thoughts and planning and really to know your party makeup. If you have to rely on pickup group, then you need to make sure whatever strategy/job you're getting that they at least have the corresponding skills capped. If you bring a abyssea leveled job that never skill the necessary skills, then you can't complaint that you can't beat this.

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Originally Posted by Lukielucas

The way we did it, was SMN, BLU, BLU, THF, DNC, MNK (used perfect defense method) and when it worn, I (being 95THF) would boost my enmity from stealing enmity from the person who has the hate and then use Perfect Dodge while the rest carried on zerging him, that how we won without items

and my gears were in TP build

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Okay that sounds like a fun set up. :) thank you. I think we may try this one and if it does not work me in eva setup too even if I have to swap mid fight for us.

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

wait wait wait.. wtf dude, 4 pages ago you were accusing "US" of not being good enough at our jobs to beat maat, so "WE" had to lvl whm to beat him on that.. but YOU can't beat new taru maat on your jobs so you lvled another one to make it easier? because your paladin is too average? and your nin and thf don't do enough dmg...

lemme ask you this, that fancy maat fight you keep flashing as a badge of honor, did you just show up and beat it within 3 weeks of having not played for.. how long? or were your skills capped? where they at least close to capped because back then you couldn't burn job lvls? did you really look into gear? did you maybe get food or meds? or did you just roll in naked, or in whatever you happened to be wearing, relevant skills 5-10 job levels gimp? (more if you lvled your jobs in aby. i don't blame you if they're underskilled, aby xp's faster than you can skillup. but be honest with yourself here..)

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Clearly reading isn't your best attribute, nor is the comprehension part. So I'll let you figure out the correlation between my Maat WHM comment and why I said it. I know you will never figure it out and that is okay by me.

I also skilled up my jobs and capped all the skills in those 3 weeks with the exception of Shield and Parry which just take time. Don't worry about my jobs and skill levels. The gear is average because of time back. The skills are still capped and there.

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Originally Posted by Finuve

I'm the clown that can at least beat an easy BCNM fight

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Oh you solo'd it did you? Video?

Still waiting on you to list that tanks gear, methinks an Aegis or an Ochain was involved and that is why you sidestep it.

People wanted an epic fight for the 99 cap and now see how they back-peddle. Can't please all the people all the time I guess.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

I love the ignorant responses in this thread about get better at your job, blah, blah, blah. The complaint isn't that it's hard it's that it is job-centric, for a limit break quest. I am sorry but the same people making the boys and men comment are the ones who would have leveled up WHM to beat WHM Maat rathern than original RDM Maat before nerf.

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Just curious... Did you read the subject line of the topic?

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

Just curious... Did you read the subject line of the topic?

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Just curious if you read the entire thread and followed the conversation that lead up to this?

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Just curious if you read the entire thread and followed the conversation that lead up to this?

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I sure did.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

And I don't like yours and everyone else's holier than thou attitude because you managed to beat it, luck or burning it, or had the advantage of ridiculously geared tanks. Beating this BCNM doesn't mean YOU the individual are good at all.

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100x this..

Repeat after me, any job will work in this fight, any job will work in this fight, any job will work in this fight

It is not job centric, pick jobs available to the group that makes sense, farm weakness items and think of a strat, i think the main failing here is the lack of thinking

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Clearly reading isn't your best attribute, nor is the comprehension part. So I'll let you figure out the correlation between my Maat WHM comment and why I said it. I know you will never figure it out and that is okay by me.

I also skilled up my jobs and capped all the skills in those 3 weeks with the exception of Shield and Parry which just take time. Don't worry about my jobs and skill levels. The gear is average because of time back. The skills are still capped and there.

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no guy, your pretty clearly accusing people of taking the easy way out.. i can pretty easily comprehend that. wich is awesome because that's exactly what you're doing by leveling a burn job. hilarious..

but no dude, that's cool how you accuse me of being unable to read to cover it up. ephen if i tipet lyke thiz yood still be leveling the burn job to beat the lvl cap. pot, meet kettle.

anyway, i'm out the door in like 10, and i gotta shave first. normally that would be a 'who cares' kind of statement and i wouldn't bother. but i feel the need to say it because you've already gone so petty that i could see you replying to this, then taking my eventual silence (because i'm not home) as you winning.

have a nice night everyone.

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Originally Posted by Finuve

Repeat after me, any job will work in this fight, any job will work in this fight, any job will work in this fight

It is not job centric, pick jobs available to the group that makes sense, farm weakness items and think of a strat, i think the main failing here is the lack of thinking

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Repeat after me, any job will work in this fight if you have the LS to get you the most top notch gear, or you happen to get lucky enough to have a maxed out PLD tanking...or if you are a MNK/BST/SMN.

It's a limit break quest. It let's level up to 99, not gives you an enhancement to all your weapons that make them occassionally hit 2 to 8 times.

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

no guy, your pretty clearly accusing people of taking the easy way out.. i can pretty easily comprehend that. wich is awesome because that's exactly what you're doing by leveling a burn job. hilarious..

but no dude, that's cool how you accuse me of being unable to read to cover it up. ephen if i tipet lyke thiz yood still be leveling the burn job to beat the lvl cap. pot, meet kettle.

anyway, i'm out the door in like 10, and i gotta shave first. normally that would be a 'who cares' kind of statement and i wouldn't bother. but i feel the need to say it because you've already gone so petty that i could see you replying to this, then taking my eventual silence (because i'm not home) as you winning.

have a nice night everyone.

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I could care less if I "win" over the internet. Especially against those people who belittle others with a legitimate concern and frustration. You clearly missed that my whole argument is that I shouldn't have to level a particular job to burn this NM.

You have pld nin, and thf, all great jobs for this fight, and you do not need great gear, i had a thf using dual eva daggers and some generic half decent gear, mostly +1 af3

And ur argument that u need to level a certain job is wrong, simply wrong

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Originally Posted by Finuve

You have pld nin, and thf, all great jobs for this fight, and you do not need great gear, i had a thf using dual eva daggers and some generic half decent gear, mostly +1 af3

And ur argument that u need to level a certain job is wrong, simply wrong

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No, my argument is not wrong, because if you don't have an Aegis/O-Chain PLD, or a Alexander SMN or a BST, or a MNK, then no one is interested in you. Wish I could take a screenshot of the shouts. Let me quote them.

"Ochain/Aegis {Paladin} {Do you have it?} {Limit Breaker} @5 {/tell}."

"{Limit Breaker} @5 {Monk} {Can I have it?}"

Etc. etc. etc.

I wonder why shouts like that exist? Oh...maybe because more people fail than succeed at the average standard setup? Just like stereotypes, they are rooted in truth.

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Originally Posted by saevel

From what, the BLM or the /DRK peoples? If you have access to "stun" then you just nuke it anyway.

The real point is that your WS will miss due to how server - client lag works. The monster is never where you see it, it's always one to three steps ahead and thus the client's targeting system will always be out of range when the monster is moving.

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It is actually possible at least normally to hit a target moving away from you, even with a WS, if you take the correct amount of steps past the target, as in picturing it going farther than it is. A few steps usually does it.

That said, I still haven't actually seen how he moves exactly at that time, though, so if it's incredibly erratic, it would certainly make it difficult, more so than it needs to be.


And by the by, does this thread really need to continue to become just about "who or what can do it and who can not"? ^^;

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Originally Posted by Evandis

Repeat after me, any job will work in this fight if you have the LS to get you the most top notch gear, or you happen to get lucky enough to have a maxed out PLD tanking...or if you are a MNK/BST/SMN.

It's a limit break quest. It let's level up to 99, not gives you an enhancement to all your weapons that make them occassionally hit 2 to 8 times.

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You probably missed the CoP era, nobody complained when you had to come SMN or RNG to win a promyvion. And as you said, at this time clearing promies would not give you an "enhancement to all your weapons".

Back on topic, cleared the BC with MNKx2, DRK, DNC, WHM, SMN. One of the MNK got killed by a weapon skill at the beginning of the fight. SMN used perfect defense ant still managed to defeat him easily.
The only thing I regret about the BC is that the "final boss" is just a taru, where are the Promathia, Kam'lanaut or those charismatic bosses? ; ;

Build ur own party then, ffs just because ppl shout for things that make it easier doesnt mean its impossible without, i beat every CoP mission prenerf on drk, DRK, a job that sucked for just about nething that wasnt diabolos

How? I built the parties and came up with the strategy myself, what did i do for this lb? The same damn thing

So besides sucking less, u also need to be less lazy

Just beat it again, BLM BLM BLM BLM BST SMN.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

No, my argument is not wrong, because if you don't have an Aegis/O-Chain PLD, or a Alexander SMN or a BST, or a MNK, then no one is interested in you. Wish I could take a screenshot of the shouts. Let me quote them.

"Ochain/Aegis {Paladin} {Do you have it?} {Limit Breaker} @5 {/tell}."

"{Limit Breaker} @5 {Monk} {Can I have it?}"

Etc. etc. etc.

I wonder why shouts like that exist? Oh...maybe because more people fail than succeed at the average standard setup? Just like stereotypes, they are rooted in truth.

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I don't get it, if you don't like the shouts you see, why don't you make your own?

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Originally Posted by Lotto

You probably missed the CoP era, nobody complained when you had to come SMN or RNG to win a promyvion. And as you said, at this time clearing promies would not give you an "enhancement to all your weapons".

Back on topic, cleared the BC with MNKx2, DRK, DNC, WHM, SMN. One of the MNK got killed by a weapon skill at the beginning of the fight. SMN used perfect defense ant still managed to defeat him easily.
The only thing I regret about the BC is that the "final boss" is just a taru, where are the Promathia, Kam'lanaut or those charismatic bosses? ; ;

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I have been playing since N/A release...and quit in October 2009, the only era I missed was the dumbing down of this game via Abyssea experience points. Leveling a job to 30 and leveling one to 95 are not relateable.

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Originally Posted by Lotto

I don't get it, if you don't like the shouts you see, why don't you make your own?

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I have made my own. I am 0/10. The best we did was when I came PLD and Terra Staffed it, even though everyone insulted me for this concept...it's the furthest we ever got it down.

Those shouts exists because most of those people lack insight and they're nothing but copy cats, they read somewhere such and such strategies works and they think just because of the same exact jobs will make an automatic win. Imagine if in a party with an OChain PLD but no DD with skills cap. They could still potentially run into time out issues because they cannot perform enough damage. Likewise, what if those 5 MNKs are all abyssea leveled and never went to skill their skill. Or come to the fight without acc food or i.wing, etc. etc.

If you dont have friends/ls where you can get help with, then formulate a strategy based on what jobs you can get (you can shout for it) and go farm up some tails.

I already found my solution, I am out in Abyssea - Vunkerl with a stack of Elshena right now, so I can use it.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

I have made my own. I am 0/10. The best we did was when I came PLD and Terra Staffed it, even though everyone insulted me for this concept...it's the furthest we ever got it down.

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I am 5/5 on it helped some other people tanked it on my PLD every time I went used sword and shield. If you are using stuff like a Terra Staff that is doing it wrong. There is no reason why you shouldn't be using sword and shield. If your dying maybe your healers are bad. All you need is quick healing when he WSs the fight is a joke with a PLD and good healers.

If u have to level another job for this fight then u suck

Whats the common denominator between the geoups u joined that lost and the group u built that lost?

All you need is 3 MNKs and a SMN for gurantee'd win can have two leechs so help your ls out which is what I have been doing

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I am 5/5 on it helped some other people tanked it on my PLD every time I went used sword and shield. If you are using stuff like a Terra Staff that is doing it wrong. There is no reason why you shouldn't be using sword and shield. If your dying maybe your healers are bad. All you need is quick healing when he WSs the fight is a joke with a PLD and good healers.

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Please read my comment. I said we did the best with my Terra Staff, not I used it all the time.

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Originally Posted by Finuve

If u have to level another job for this fight then u suck

Whats the common denominator between the geoups u joined that lost and the group u built that lost?

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Not one of the losses was on me, feel free to ask those who went. Try harder. Still love how you have avoided telling us what gear your tank had.

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Originally Posted by Evandis

I have been playing since N/A release...and quit in October 2009, the only era I missed was the dumbing down of this game via Abyssea experience points. Leveling a job to 30 and leveling one to 95 are not relateable.

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You're right, back then leveling a job to 30 would have required a week, now with abyssea you can do 1-95 in 2 days.

With all the TP burn setups most of the people forgot how to make real tactics. In a BCNM, use HQ food, bring reraise, icarus wings, explain clearly the strategy to your party, make sure they're using decent gears (Pink set = no) and that know how to play your job (DD without a haste gear = wrong).

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Originally Posted by Cahlum

All you need is 3 MNKs and a SMN for gurantee'd win can have two leechs so help your ls out which is what I have been doing

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I dunno. I tried this setup twice and failed. I've got Brown Belt, full Tantra +2 (almost; Crown is only +1). Rajas Ring, Spiral Ring, Brutal Earring, Moonshade Earring, Afflictors, Calcitrant Stole, and Atheling Mantle. Maybe it's not OMG super duper, but it's still a solid set.

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Originally Posted by Lotto

You're right, back then leveling a job to 30 would have required a week, now with abyssea you can do 1-95 in 2 days.

With all the TP burn setups most of the people forgot how to make real tactics. In a BCNM, use HQ food, bring reraise, icarus wings, explain clearly the strategy to your party, make sure they're using decent gears (Pink set = no) and that know how to play your job (DD without a haste gear = wrong).

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So, you're part of the problem, "Pink set = no," so basically "Level 99 should only be allowed for those with end game linkshells that whore out gear for people." Yep, this game really is doomed.

The only reason I was asking about thief being used in the LB fight was to find out it was possible that way I can strat with the only jobs my ls has to offer that are 95 >.< sadly no one in there leveled a pld job and to be honest some don't even have it unlocked. We got a war 95 decent geared and fully merited, me as thief at 95 okay gear and fully merited, a black mage with awesome gear and fully merited, a whm in okay gear and soon to be fully merited, and a rdm in decent gear fully merited. We are all except for the mages capped out on skills so I was trying to figure out a strat. Any who back to farming the items today for the rest of the ls then we are going to plan out how to do this.
Thank you to all the advice guys and ladies. :)

At the very least I'd like to see SE create a Psychoanima and Hysteroanima type item so you can actually weaken the guy and still melee him.

Also, this forum has an ignore feature. I suggest you use it on Finuve, who is being needlessly antagonistic.