The test server is more fun than the real game.

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Originally Posted by Soranika

Because I use mage jobs, of course. However what am I gaining out of this is the same notion you have towards tamas ring. Rajas ring saves space on having to have other. Only other than that, the benefits can be felt across all melee jobs, however minuscule they may be.

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serious question, is rosina your sister?, no really.

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Originally Posted by Aver

Store..TP.. proc?

So like just how haste takes time to proc right?

edit: Tamoa was faster on the draw.

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In actuality, you do need a certain amount of STP to even notice a real difference, much like people who cream themselves over haste will mock people with "only" 10 - 14% haste in gear.

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Originally Posted by Vortex

serious question, is rosina your sister?, no really.

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Gross!

Fine, explain to me why Rajas is better than any other alternative rings for melee going on different builds?

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Originally Posted by Soranika

Gross!

Fine, explain to me why Rajas is better than any other alternative rings for melee going on different builds?

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........SERIOSULY!? Yea, i'm done.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

In actuality, you do need a certain amount of STP to even notice a real difference, much like people who cream themselves over haste will mock people with "only" 10 - 14% haste in gear.

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Yet the point stands that when utilized correctly, Store TP shaves hits off getting to 100 TP which then increases weaponskill frequency and thus overall damage.

You are right though, using it incorrectly can make it quite worthless.

Ignorance of the benefits is perfectly fine when someone has the open mind to learn from those in the know but it is not fine when someone attempts to pass off ignorance as a virtue.

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Gross!

Fine, explain to me why Rajas is better than any other alternative rings for melee going on different builds?

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How about it's the only ring with 5 STR/DEX/5SB/sTP, stats that you can't get anywhere else, because unlike Tamas, which can be outclassed because at this point -enmity isn't as big a deal as it used to be, and there are +7 MND/INT rings, which you dont fulltime on mages since you swap them out. You don't melee in str rings, or dex rings(unless you're really cheap or you can't possibly have anything better to equip.)

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Yet the point stands that when utilized correctly, Store TP shaves hits off getting to 100 TP which then increases weaponskill frequency and thus overall damage.

You are right though, using it incorrectly can make it quite worthless.

Ignorance of the benefits is perfectly fine when someone has the open mind to learn from those in the know but it is not fine when someone attempts to pass off ignorance as a virtue.

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Not speaking for anyone else, being DNC is my ownly main, I don't see the point. TP comes back fast enough when doing self skill chains via double/triple attack equipment and reverse flourish. Nevermind store tp already in AF3 DNC set.

I don't feel convinced to switch to it being mage heavy.

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Originally Posted by Rearden

5DEX is nearly always .5%~5% critical hit rate, math is fun.

Edit: Also, lol1hweaponsinVW

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5 dex is always zero% crit on voidwatch. oneiros annulet for 2 handed DDs because they don't cap their acc either even in their dreams. Only BG ignorant would seriously think their rajas gives then 5% crit lol.


Also I'm getting tired about all the references to voidwatch that we tend to see from BGers nowadays. The rewards are very bad, noone does it because of it. It's VERY far from being a reference (and in this case anyway it makes rajas inferior) and the system itself is the opposite of 'TP>WS>TP>WS ... until it dies". It's time to wake up and realise FFXI has changed.

Hey everyone? Shut up.

Apparently SE sees differently.

Abyssea is over and the future lay in the new Voidwatch, Walk of Echoes and possibly CoP Dynamis. That's why you know... they have 4 Voidwatch patches planned.

Edit: not worth the warning, but Rajas is still good, regardless of what pchan says.

Leveling to 30 is time consuming?

Were you even around when people had to level to 75 and do merits without Abyssea or GoV? *taps foot*

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Nothing is better than 9 acc if you need acc

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Just posting to point out that Pchan is wrong. Mars ring is better than the 9acc ring.

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5 dex is always zero% crit on voidwatch. oneiros annulet for 2 handed DDs because they don't cap their acc either even in their dreams. Only BG ignorant would seriously think their rajas gives then 5% crit lol.


Also I'm getting tired about all the references to voidwatch that we tend to see from BGers nowadays. The rewards are very bad, noone does it because of it. It's VERY far from being a reference (and in this case anyway it makes rajas inferior) and the system itself is the opposite of 'TP>WS>TP>WS ... until it dies". It's time to wake up and realise FFXI has changed.

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WHAT THE F*** AM I READING

If acc is that much of an issue, there's always the Marinara Pizza (+1) too.

The difference with rajas and tamas is that, when meleeing, ALL stats on rajas are taking effect. With Tamas, once the mp is used, it is gone, so it isn't really a factor. When casting spells, it will either be an INT +3 Enmity -3 ring or a MND +5 Enmity -3 ring. Meanwhile, with rajas, you get the benefit of a STR +5 DEX +5 Subtle Blow +5 Store TP +5 ring.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

5 dex is always zero% crit on voidwatch. oneiros annulet for 2 handed DDs because they don't cap their acc either even in their dreams. Only BG ignorant would seriously think their rajas gives then 5% crit lol.


Also I'm getting tired about all the references to voidwatch that we tend to see from BGers nowadays. The rewards are very bad, noone does it because of it. It's VERY far from being a reference (and in this case anyway it makes rajas inferior) and the system itself is the opposite of 'TP>WS>TP>WS ... until it dies". It's time to wake up and realise FFXI has changed.

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My WAR actually has capped ACC on everything in Voidwatch using rajas ring, without aggressor, acc food, or giving up all that much in gear. With the only exception being the Vampire~ Maybe if you actually did voidwatch or bothered to learn about the game, you'd know more about it and not toss out blanket statements like "No 2 handed DD has capped acc ever."

As far as drops go.... Do you use Rancor Collar or are you gimp? Or are you going to try and say it's not the best necklace for every job while TPing, and almost always the best WS necklace for any DD using a WS with a chance to crit? Or do you want to just admit the overall best necklace for most jobs in the game comes from voidwatch? There's other very, very good items from voidwatch too, you're trying to cover for yourself saying it's all bad because you don't have any friends or an LS to do it with.

People don't do voidwatch because they are bad players. You constantly trying to justify the fact that you don't do it is kind of getting old. Back at 75 cap, how many people actually did Tiamat, Khim, DI, Einherjar, etc? Not very many. Why is it so surprising to you that only a few people do voidwatch? This is how endgame FFXI content has always been. Only the easy content gets done by most people. Like abyssea right now, or dynamis/limbus/salvage before the cap was raised.

Rajsa main thing is the 5stp with all the other positive stats.

the following is a very loose example of why.

5stp gives roughly .5% extra tp per hit meaning if you were going ot get 19 tp a hit you actually gain 19.5 so you would go
*you dont see the .5* hit 1 19% hit 2 39% hit 3 58% 78% etc
without the ring you would go 19 38 57 76 , you see how big of an effect just that ring alone has

WARNING the above math is not 100% accurate its just to get the other person to understand what stp does.

Wait, you're still going on with this?

Nooo all the fun is done *throws popcorns on the wall

This post translates into you suck @ video games. No offense, but it's true and there's no way to really think of it any other way. All of the items on the test server are easily obtainable.

Spells: go do the BCNM if you can't afford them. Some are quite easy to solo.

AF2 go solo dynamis or get a PT or a group of friends who want AF2 as well.

AF3+2 find a good linkshell. You want one with a fair DKP system, there is no need to con a LS into getting you the items. You have points then you lot.

Leveling is not hard. FoV and GoV make it quite fast and easy to get to 30. At that point you can just leech your way to 90 in abyssea. You don't have to pay anyone anything, just make your own PT. PT leader can always leech (though I always key since i don't really care to leech.) Some healers and DDs then you're set, don't get more then 2-3 leeches in a PT. I've gotten all my SJs from 37 to 50 and BLU/WAR/MNK to 90 through leeching, and BLM/SMN/SAM/BST to 90 through EXP in abyssea.

Skilling up is fun and easy (to me) I have Staff, H2H, Sword, GK, Great Axe, Axe, Elemental, Summoning, Blue magic, at max. I also have Club, Dagger, Enfeebling, Enhancing, Archery, Marksmanship, Parry, Dark, Polearm, Singing, and Wind around 200. With skillup food and Moogle powers it's extremely easy to get anything up to 200 and at that point it's quite easy to finish in abyssea if you have no other choice. Also I know quite a few people with both max parry and max guarding.

As for the "crazy weapons" they didn't give us any Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons, only the WoE ones. Yes the WSs are nice, but you can live w/o them while you try to get them. I've never done a WoE weapon, however I do have a Hvergelmir and I am working on Amanomurakumo (18/60 stage 4, 10/70 stage 5.) These weapons take time, you can't expect to have them magically pop into your hands. WoE take time too, but you can manage solo/with friends/in a linkshell. If you want an Empyrean then form a group and tell people all upgrade items are yours and they can lot the test. You can also get a group of friends and all help each other upgrade them. Lastly you can get a Linkshell with a DKP system and lot them when you fight those mobs.

I'm going to shut up now, but before I go I have 1 more thing to say:
Did you notice the trend in most of these things? (STOP BEING LAZY/GO MAKE FRIENDS/GET A GOOD LINKSHELL)

I'll put it this way, on jobs that can't use Epona's ring, if one of those shitty rings that everyone uses from Abyssea had 5STR and 5DEX on it, that'd be my default second ring for everything.

Also, spending money on a 9acc ring instead of a Mars ring is about as retarded as it gets. I don't even have acc issues on PLD in Voidwatch, Crab/Vampire aside. (Though Gorget/Belt-Anguinus usually perform better than Rancor :3 )

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Apparently SE sees differently.

Abyssea is over and the future lay in the new Voidwatch, Walk of Echoes and possibly CoP Dynamis. That's why you know... they have 4 Voidwatch patches planned.

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We have already seen the reward and they are extremely disapointing, side grades of situationnal gear at best. So you can keep thinking that they want VW to be the future of the game, but they don't put it in practice by finally surpassing AF3+2 and empyrean weapon. As an exemple they made pretty videos of the next weapons ; did you see them ? Underwhelming. It's a bone to give us until they finally fix jobs and old content.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

As an exemple they made pretty videos of the next weapons ; did you see them ? Underwhelming. It's a bone to give us until they finally fix jobs and old content.

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Perhaps you missed the knife that will most likely end up being the best off hand dagger for THF and DNC. You should watch that video again Gchan.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

My WAR actually has capped ACC on everything in Voidwatch using rajas ring, without aggressor, acc food, or giving up all that much in gear. With the only exception being the Vampire~ Maybe if you actually did voidwatch or bothered to learn about the game, you'd know more about it and not toss out blanket statements like "No 2 handed DD has capped acc ever."

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No you don't.

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As far as drops go.... Do you use Rancor Collar or are you gimp?

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Typical noob answer. You did not understand anything to voidwatch ; either you tank and racor collar is dumb or you don't tank ans therefore don't hit (inbefore PLD being superior : wrong, you hit= you tank). Auction house, what is it?

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People don't do voidwatch because they are bad players.

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Wrong. People don't do VM because the drop are not worth it, it is that simple, and a few die hard still do them in hope the future will be brighter, but PLEASE, stop spreading nonsense. Rancor collar is pretty dumb neck piece to equip, I'm not sure who can seriously consider using this in voidwatch for one, or outside for two. So what ? You can kill big crap ? And ...? They are all fairly easily 6-manable. Problem is the drop are bad. You come here on your high horse explaining us that people that don't chose to farm rancor collar are necessarily bad players ? You realise that a "good player" makes at least one million in one hour of dynamis farming ?

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Perhaps you missed the knife that will most likely end up being the best off hand dagger for THF and DNC. You should watch that video again Gchan.

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Yes I missed it lol.

Ganesha's Mala, Ganesha's Mask, Fazhuelo Radiant Mail, Strendu Ring, Strendu Mantle, Langeleik, Mextli Harness say que pasa

Not to mention, upcoming VW drops surpass nearly every piece of gear for nearly every job in every slot they are offered for.

Examples:
Azteca body 2 eff
Body Ex Rare Lv95
Defense60 STR+13 DEX+13 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 Double Attack+2%
Sphere:Haste+2% Combination:Triple Attack+3%
MNK, THF, BST, RNG, NIN, BLU, COR, PUP, DNC

Azteca head 2
Head Rare Lv95
Defense31 DEX+12 AGI+12 Haste+6% Regen Combination:Triple Attack+3%
MNK, THF, BST, RNG, NIN, BLU, COR, PUP, DNC

China body 2 eff
Body Ex Rare Lv95
Defense70 VIT+17 Physical damage-8% Change 14% physical damage to TP
Sphereouble Attack+2% Combination:Haste+8%
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, DRG

China head 2
Head rare Lv95
Defense40 STR+15 Attack+25 Day:Element WS damage up Combination:Haste+8%
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, DRG


I will say, it will be fun watching AF3 MNKs (Which laughably, you aren't) run around at 95. At least they'll be better geared than a MNK wearing full Usu.

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Ganesha's Mala

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sucks. Because your quadruple attack is awesome when it procs on 3rd or 4th it.

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Ganesha's Mask

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Mathed by several people to be inferior than mnk AF3 head for instance.

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junk.

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Not to mention, upcoming VW drops surpass every piece of gear for every job in every slot they are offered for.

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junk except cure potency for RDM which is no longer a healer.

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Azteca body 2 eff
Body Ex Rare Lv95
Defense60 STR+13 DEX+13 Accuracy+10 Attack+10 Double Attack+2%
Sphere:Haste+2% Combination:Triple Attack+3%
MNK, THF, BST, RNG, NIN, BLU, COR, PUP, DNC

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You never wondered why they didn't put better stats than AF3+2 on it ?

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Azteca head 2
Head Rare Lv95
Defense31 DEX+12 AGI+12 Haste+6% Regen Combination:Triple Attack+3%
MNK, THF, BST, RNG, NIN, BLU, COR, PUP, DNC

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seriously ?

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China body 2 eff
Body Ex Rare Lv95
Defense70 VIT+17 Physical damage-8% Change 14% physical damage to TP
Sphereouble Attack+2% Combination:Haste+8%
WAR, PLD, DRK, BST, SAM, DRG

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seriously ?

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I will say, it will be fun watching AF3 MNKs (Which laughably, you aren't) run around at 95. At least they'll be better geared than a MNK wearing full Usu.

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When are you finally going to do maths to back up your claims ? Typical BG.

I know I'm a little late, but with BG crowd just not being helpful at all, I'll help you with this.

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Originally Posted by Soranika

STR +5
For on handed weapons, that only equals 2 ATK. 3 ATK for two handed weapons. Obviously, there are other rings that out classes that.

DEX +5
If you're going for crit damage on a job that doesn't rely on crit or low chance of crit damaging, why bother? ACC is not much of an issue lately if you actually skill up your job. With all the gear swamping and more gear that offers a lot of ACC, it's not as great.

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You are right, there are rings out there that have better than 5 STR and 5 DEX on them. But are there any rings out there that have better than both 5 STR and DEX on the same ring? You do know that Crit rate is effective with additional DEX, which is why people still use Byakko's Haidate even though there are better legs with additional Haste and accuracy on them.
But neither of those stats are what makes the ring shine.

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Store TP +5
This is still great for one handed weapons, but for duel wielders with multi attack weapons, most don't notice the effect of store tp if it even procs because it's always gained back in rapid succession.

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Ignoring the "even procs" part, Store TP helps turn an X hit build better. Can turn a 7 hit into a 6 hit and a 6 hit into a 5 hit.

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Subtle Blow +5
Heed Ring gives STB +7 plus the 3 ACC that the dex would give from rajas. Nevermind the slew of gear in other slots that give STB too, like Toreoro Torque with 9 eva and STB.

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Subtle Blow is very helpful on feeding TP to the mob, which is VERY helpful for people who are tanking them mobs. Even when only 1 person is on the mob, the Subtle Blow effect can be noticeable when it comes to the number of cures needed to survive a fight.

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Rajas ring is as outdated as Tamas ring at this point.

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Only if you have individual stats on Rajas. But since Rajas has STR, DEX, Store TP, and Subtle Blow all in one slot, that is what makes this ring shine into the best ring for actual melees. It encompasses attack, accuracy, crit hit rate, increase TP wield, decreased TP feed, and overall and outright damage delt to anything. Tamas increase the accuracy and, if done, damage delt to a mob from a magical source while not gaining much hate from doing so. MP+ is negotiable because nothing of value really costs less than 50 MP. Except Sleep and Stun.

Pchan lol you noob

pchan wears full usu? for.. what?

Gchan full times full Usu, cause AF3 is garbage and gear swaps are for noobs.
(and if he even tries to argue this I will go find the quotes of him saying it)

Anyway, On the MNK AF3+2 hat vs Gan mask comment, how does 7 STR and a 1% Increase to whatever the kick attacks augment is beat 4% attack exactly?

The math he's referencing was done by BG noobs in which it showed that in 2/3 presented situations (the 2 situations representing 90% of gameplay) Ganesha's mask outperformed AF3+2

dont forget you lose capped haste, also from a lazyness stand point i love not having to swap the head in and out for perfect counter.

theres also assuming Fstr is capped at all times.

aso with 533 atk *my base outside abyssea* G mask is +21atk

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No you don't.

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If you did Voidwatch you'd know I do.~

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Typical noob answer. You did not understand anything to voidwatch ; either you tank and racor collar is dumb or you don't tank ans therefore don't hit (inbefore PLD being superior : wrong, you hit= you tank). Auction house, what is it?

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"Voidwatch is the only event, therefor gear options for other events don't matter" Is this seriously your arguement for why rancor collar is bad?

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Wrong. People don't do VM because the drop are not worth it, it is that simple, and a few die hard still do them in hope the future will be brighter, but PLEASE, stop spreading nonsense. Rancor collar is pretty dumb neck piece to equip, I'm not sure who can seriously consider using this in voidwatch for one, or outside for two. So what ? You can kill big crap ? And ...? They are all fairly easily 6-manable. Problem is the drop are bad. You come here on your high horse explaining us that people that don't chose to farm rancor collar are necessarily bad players ? You realise that a "good player" makes at least one million in one hour of dynamis farming ?

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I was simply pointing out that you don't have any friends and are not capable of doing voidwatch, just like all the other bad players around, and that there are some very good drops from it. Just because you choose to be blinded by your own ignorance doesn't mean everyone else feels the same.

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Originally Posted by Gokku

dont forget you lose capped haste, also from a lazyness stand point i love not having to swap the head in and out for perfect counter.

theres also assuming Fstr is capped at all times.

aso with 533 atk *my base outside abyssea* G mask is +21atk

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You lose out on (from memory) 0.15% haste and it still wins. However if this is a problem, it can be easily rectified with Usu feet.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

If you did Voidwatch you'd know I do.~

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go away. double madrigals + sole sushi+1 + focus is giving you ~75% hit rate only on the crab. Stop lying. Now some of then dont have high evasion, ill give you that.

Im sorry to tell you VW is not hard content. Just because it is meant for alliance doesnt make it hard. From what ive seen 2 balanced party of half brained people will clear NP including procs. Most (all?) of the Nm have been reported to be defeatible by 6 or less. Ive personally cleared all tier 1 and II and some III with mnkx2 whm brd smn blm. You only need more for procs. VW drops suck period. VW proc system suck. VW loot distribution suck. VW KIs suck. VW II drops equally suck.

but swapping usu feet lose's the massive damage bonus afforded by af3+2 feet?
not arguing just discussing the different swappable gear at hand * ive got it all anyways*

there is nooooo waayyyy the krab is that hard to hit... ive fought it, your over hyping it... then again we had a thf a drg and me on war and just zerged the fuckker down for clear.

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go away. double madrigals + sole sushi+1 + focus is giving you ~75% hit rate only on the crab. Stop lying. Now some of then dont have high evasion, ill give you that.

Im sorry to tell you VW is not hard content. Just because it is meant for alliance doesnt make it hard. From what ive seen 2 balanced party of half brained people will clear NP including procs. Most (all?) of the Nm have been reported to be defeatible by 6 or less. Ive personally cleared all tier 1 and II and some III with mnkx2 whm brd smn blm. You only need more for procs. VW drops suck period. VW proc system suck. VW loot distribution suck. VW KIs suck. VW II drops equally suck.

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How the **** does "converts 14% of damage taken to tp" suck

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Originally Posted by Rearden

The math he's referencing was done by BG noobs in which it showed that in 2/3 presented situations (the 2 situations representing 90% of gameplay) Ganesha's mask outperformed AF3+2

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When are finally going to provide numbers ?