Petition: clickandbuy the only way no,thanks.

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Originally Posted by slakyak

Just a point of interest I guess... Starcraft II uses ClickandBuy.

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It's not even close to being the only method though.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

It's not even close to being the only method though.

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Figured as much -.-

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Originally Posted by slakyak

Figured as much -.-

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Ya to clarify, I believe paypal can't be accessed in all countries, so some games (especially ones like Starcraft that are popular in a lot of countries that don't have paypal) will give access to clickandbuy which is a European site.

But they just allow it as another type of payment method, not force it or try to make it the primary method.

Is 30 days deal so bad? I think it's much easier to cancel and reactivate the account like this. You take a break and when you return the $12.95 or whatever you pay will mean 30 days. This was not the case before. If you returned mid month your money would only value 15 days.

What is really left (i don't know if it currently works like this) is if we cancel the IDs to take a break we can still keep whatever amount of days left as credit for when we return. That would make it perfect. I'm very fond of quick breaks.

Hate to say it, but this just may drive me away from the game. There's no reason why billing should be so tedious. Crysta looks like a complete scam too.

Silver lining though: it'll make room for the Autumn rush of games that interest me.

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Originally Posted by Laphine

Is 30 days deal so bad? I think it's much easier to cancel and reactivate the account like this. You take a break and when you return the $12.95 or whatever you pay will mean 30 days. This was not the case before. If you returned mid month your money would only value 15 days.

What is really left (i don't know if it currently works like this) is if we cancel the IDs to take a break we can still keep whatever amount of days left as credit for when we return. That would make it perfect. I'm very fond of quick breaks.

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I think that once you pay for 30 days, it only lasts 30 days. I mean 30 days and not 30 play time days...

Edit: Also if you set up recocurring payments with SE they charge you an extra $1.00. It's in their new ToS too.

This is so depressing, I just found out that for the Japanese players can still pay directly to SE via CC, just like what we used to now.... this is a good way to make FFXI JP only, since all your NA/EU players will now be quitting, and nice way to save Japan's electricity crisis in helping the recovery of 311 earthquake by cutting all international internet connection to your FFXI servers.

Just posting in this thread to agree, the whole situation is pretty awful. I left my feelings on the matter as feedback in the service&support section of SE's website. I urge everyone else to do the same.

I don't wish to use clickandbuy, and I don't wish to purchase "Crysta" since I don't like overpaying, nor do I want to feel like I should keep playing just to minimize losses by purchasing Crysta. I know saying this won't matter, but $12.95/month or gtfo, SE.

Square Enix, why is it so hard to give you my money?

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Originally Posted by Niyariko

This is so depressing, I just found out that for the Japanese players can still pay directly to SE via CC, just like what we used to now.... this is a good way to make FFXI JP only, since all your NA/EU players are now be quitting, and nice way to save Japan's electricity in helping the recovery of 311 earthquake by cutting all international internet connection to your FFXI servers.

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WTF is that? SE is saying JP ONRY now? Bravo SE...

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Originally Posted by Niyariko

This is so depressing, I just found out that for the Japanese players can still pay directly to SE via CC, just like what we used to now.... this is a good way to make FFXI JP only, since all your NA/EU players are now quitting, and nice way to save Japan's electricity crisis in helping the recovery of 311 earthquake by cutting all international internet connection to your FFXI servers.

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Can't speak JP so i can't verify this but if thats true.... JP can pay exact Crysta (mentioned last page) and they can also continue to pay directly with a CC, and no one else can...?

This is just unacceptable...

I can't believe SE continues to fumble with simple customer service principles.

SE Protip: People like to have the freedom to spend their money how they want.

You're making money either way, why not make more options?

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Originally Posted by Niyariko

This is so depressing, I just found out that for the Japanese players can still pay directly to SE via CC, just like what we used to now.... this is a good way to make FFXI JP only, since all your NA/EU players will now be quitting, and nice way to save Japan's electricity crisis in helping the recovery of 311 earthquake by cutting all international internet connection to your FFXI servers.

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Terrible, just terrible.

At least November isn't far off for when Elder Scrolls comes out :)

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Originally Posted by Niyariko

This is so depressing, I just found out that for the Japanese players can still pay directly to SE via CC, just like what we used to now.... this is a good way to make FFXI JP only, since all your NA/EU players will now be quitting, and nice way to save Japan's electricity crisis in helping the recovery of 311 earthquake by cutting all international internet connection to your FFXI servers.

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SE must be taking "How to lose customers 101"

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

SE you need to stop screwing the players over.

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They aren't screwing over their Japanese base so I'm sure they are satisfied.
Anyway, I'm out. I already barely ever log on... they sure as hell are giving me less and less reason to do so as time goes on.
I refuse to jump through hoops to pay for two accounts on a game I log onto once every blue moon.

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Originally Posted by InfamousDS

I've already planned to sever all ties by the end of August. I love FFXI and I miss it when I don't play. But the honest truth is I only log on a few hours a day and money is a legit issue for me now. It was fun everyone, but let's all give our fond farewells. Too many hoops, too much hassle, not enough gain. Hope Square is reading this thread.

My bucket list on FFXI is as thus:
See the ending of every major expansion story, or at least get as far as I can. (So far soloed up to AU38).
Nyzul Weaponskill for DNC, I just wanna make one self-darkness in my career on that job.
Floor 100 Nyzul Isle, Runic Key seems nice.
Farm Maps for the areas I haven't yet, useless since I'm quitting, but it gives me a task.
If Mythic WS is a total loss for getting, make a Daka+2/Twashtar and use Rudra instead.

Goodbye guys. I'm prolly not quitting the forums and it'll still be a month before I'm gone, but this seems like the best place to say it.

Edit: I know that Sekkanoki-> Evisceration-> Meditate-> Dancing Edge-> Reverse Flourish-> Evisceration = Darkness. But that is a LOT of steps.

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This, I hardly play anymore and was about to level up a new job and play more often with friends cause I could get more stuff done. But they can say good-bye to my money every month.

I am not going to go through the hassle of buying these "points" every month. And have too many money issues to buy in bulk and keep going. Bye.

You don't have to use Click and Buy if you pick Crysta as your payment method. Then you can just use UltimatePay to buy Crysta and pay with PayPal.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

SE must be taking "How to lose customers 101"

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SE knows how very few Credit/Debit cards use VbV or MC Securecard in the US but they are required to have it in Japan probably why they are not offering it in the US.

That's still setting up accounts and having to do multitudes of things that are just plain stupid to be able to play a game from time to time. They can just lose any money I would have given them.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

SE knows how very few Credit/Debit cards use VbV or MC Securecard in the US but they are required to have it in Japan probably why they are not offering it in the US.

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and if they kept the current system people would not have a problem. The issue (if you bothered even to read the thread) is not just click and buy. Do yourself a favor and read a thread before you reply to it.

I read the first couple posts but your kidding yourself if anyone is going to sit there and read all 19 pages.

Its true most US cards don't have 3d secure and people got around it by registering their non 3d secure cards on a PS2 or a Xbox360 due to SEs bad phone service.

I did, reading is hard mkay?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I read the first couple posts but your kidding yourself if anyone is going to sit there and read all 19 pages.

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I read all 19 pages before replying >.>

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Originally Posted by slakyak

Just a point of interest I guess... Starcraft II uses ClickandBuy.

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What for? Last I knew, SC2 was free to play once you purchased the game, and I see nothing on the SC2 site saying you need to pay to play.

Regarding JP payments, if it's true that they can pick exact Crysta amounts and pay directly by card, whereas the rest of us are stuck buying excess Crysta and dealing with third parties, then that's just terrible. If it's true then I'll be quitting, and finding another MMO to play which doesn't make me feel like I'm being ripped off and abused.

in before lock

Anyway Crysta reminds me of Xbox live points in that, you will always be paying more and have extra balance. I can recall MS getting sued for it but I doubt they won.

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Originally Posted by Dooom

What for? Last I knew, SC2 was free to play once you purchased the game, and I see nothing on the SC2 site saying you need to pay to play.

Regarding JP payments, if it's true that they can pick exact Crysta amounts and pay directly by card, whereas the rest of us are stuck buying excess Crysta and dealing with third parties, then that's just terrible. If it's true then I'll be quitting, and finding another MMO to play which doesn't make me feel like I'm being ripped off and abused.

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Pretty sure Blizzard charges monthly fees for SC2 in some countries but I don't remember which off the top of my head.

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Originally Posted by Muse

I read all 19 pages before replying >.>

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So did I. And I don't like reading. I would have accepted a higher subscription fee than this.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Pretty sure Blizzard charges monthly fees for SC2 in some countries but I don't remember which off the top of my head.

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A friend of a friend tell you that?

The system is already in place for the JPs, just give it to us for Christ's sake. This is beyond ridiculous if they actually allow JP's as the only region to continue to use the current payment system.

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Originally Posted by Orson

A friend of a friend tell you that?

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No its true go ahead google it if you don't believe me.

Edit: just went and googled it myself, Russia, Brazil, Latin America most of Asia have monthly fees for SC2.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

No its true go ahead google it if you don't believe me.

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Russia only it seems, but they get the game at a discounted price to begin with. Can't find info on payment methods. It's all an aside though from the issue at hand here.

Nice knowing you guys.

Im bad, Im not reading all these 19 pages (got to 6 and seeing the same thing over and over) but its titled 'petition' so Im just adding my 2cents if something like this wasnt already said. The whole crysta scenario seemed stupidly complicated just to play a game and too much of a hassle. But considering clickandbuy as the only alternative my whole ls is signing up for crysta.

Here's my problem though. Crysta isnt available in my country. So my single option to keep playing this game is registering with clickandbuy, which from everything I've heard I really dont want to do. And after reading about people getting their cards frozen and having this option blocked to them, if the same thing happens to me (or any other player from a country crysta isnt available to) well then we're screwed.

This is ridiculous, and unfair. Why are they privileged to not deal with this and we have to?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I read the first couple posts but your kidding yourself if anyone is going to sit there and read all 19 pages.

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It's only at page 5 for me...
Okay, okay... I might have 40 posts per page going on but yeah, there's a lot more in this than just ClapandBye. ^^;

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Originally Posted by Tacotaru

The system is already in place for the JPs, just give it to us for Christ's sake. This is beyond ridiculous if they actually allow JP's as the only region to continue to use the current payment system.

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I think they meant that they have the option with the new, Square Enix Account system, not 'retaining the old one'.
I think.

And that said, they are likely planning to introduce it, or something similar to the rest of us in due time.
It could be in testing already! Or not...
Well, at least one can always hope for it.


But as it is now, it really might be the last month for me too.
I sometimes do not log in for days now, but still have always been paying the full price, and I know many others who are the same.


It's sad but true.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Anyway Crysta reminds me of Xbox live points in that, you will always be paying more and have extra balance. I can recall MS getting sued for it but I doubt they won.

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Except that you buy the MS points directly from Microsoft and don't have to go through multiple steps to do so, like SE is doing with Crysta. MS is a simple click, add points, select card to use and hit done. And you don't need them to play games, you just need them if you want addons or bonus content, where as with Crysta you need it to even play FFXI. Bad system is bad.

Add to that, the screen shot from the Japanese forums and this is a major slap in the face to everyone else, and is unacceptable. We should demand a mod contact someone from SE and demand why they can pay directly but we can't.

SE really needs to hire someone to go in and fix the terminology on their SE account site. When you see stuff like "Automatically Continued Options" makes you think "What the hell does this even mean?"

I can understand doing this for a brand new game, but a game where ppl have been playing N years and are used to auto billing, I really don't get it. For those that are paying for 2-3 accounts are they going to bother buying surplus crysta on all of them each month? For those with a single account are they going to bother? Probably not if they were using XI as a glorified AIM or just logging on rarely but didn't bother to cancel. Or if they don't have or rarely use paypal. I now question if SE understands the reasons many players continue paying for their product. They should have really like...asked us...before implementing this. This seems like moreso than any single issue in the past, yes including salvage bans, it has the potential to really dwindle the player base. I don't know if it will or not, but look at the feedback on various forums. As someone with an actual 3d verified CC, it really is annoying, particularly when japanese customers apparently can continue paying with CC or buy crysta in any amount they please. It makes me wonder does SE even want their other customers. There has always been favoritism in game but for that to extend to billing... I understand about non verified CC and chargebacks and the expense of a billing department, all of that, but why should i be put thru this when i've never had an issue with the CC? There should be an option to continue auto paying with CC each month, as we were led to believe would be the case.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

No its true go ahead google it if you don't believe me.

Edit: just went and googled it myself, Russia, Brazil, Latin America most of Asia have monthly fees for SC2.

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Idk about SC2, but on WoW they will soon start a monthly fee here. And cheaper than US one lol. 15 BRL which should be around 9.0 USD with some taxes to it.