Suggestions to Improve/Rebalance Vanadiel's Divas

No, I realized I flubbed up with my comment about pyrrhic kleos, where I didn't consider dual wield. It is very possible that I noticed low tp return hits all of the time in ballista, and just assumed it was the same for WS into shadows. Ballista isn't good to go off of because you're being hit by multiple people and spells while concentrating on your next move; it's distracting. Even if it is a habit to check tp after WS, it is probably fairly easy to mess up in ballista.

It is a nice idea to cater it towards the next WS but recast is an issue. I really hope you are not thinking about leaving it at 3 minutes (sorry if it has changed but I am not on the Test Server :()

However, looking on to 99 are we going to be limited to merits for support abilities or will they be through the last 4 levels and if so can we expect to see more then just Regain?

Also are the dev's thinking about bringing in what Lilisette can do or should I just ignore her pretty looking abilities?

Prrretty please reply this time :3

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Originally Posted by Camate

Since sphere effects are extremely strong and completely negate the opposite enfeebling effect, we won’t be implementing the sphere effect itself. However, we are planning to add something that gives your party members some kind of effect while continuing to consume your TP. As we are not at the stage where can give info on specific effects, we would love to hear your ideas.

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Granting all party members an effect in exchange for consuming the Dancer's TP...

Since not all party members benefit from the same things, I think the effect should be dependent on the receiver of the effect. Maybe call it "Interpretive Dance", (except the meaning in this case is how other people are interpreting YOUR dance, a "play on words" that may not make as much sense when translated)

Basically, it would increase rates and/or potencies for each job's special traits:
Warrior: Double Attack Rate, Monk: Kick Attack Rate, Thief: Critical Hit Rate or Triple Attack Rate, White Mage: Cure Potency, Black Mage: Magic Attack Bonus, Red Mage: Enfeeble Potency/Accuracy?, etc

These increases would have to be potent to be draining away TP from the Dancer who could otherwise use it for healing and weaponskills, and by necessity, it would require the Dancer to be building TP; meleeing on the target of the party in most cases (especially with recent bosses that enforce battlefields with no "lesser" enemies to build TP on - I'm not saying to add minions), so it would have to be worth the "TP feed" to the enemy as well.

This also keeps the Dancer in harm's way, and their normal method of survival in these situations is personal healing ability, which is severely diminished if they're losing their TP to enhance others. (I'd add a strong regen effect to the Dancer while using this ability to offset the damage they can't prevent or restore in these situations, and possibly to make it useful while soloing.)

Anyway, that's my thought on such an ability, to make it worthwhile in most circumstances.

A passive ability that consistently drains your TP is a one-way ticket to boringville. If you just want to auto-attack and not do anything else, why not play a monk instead?

@AyinDygra

I was thinking of something like this too! I like it, I also like the name you chose and concept.

Bah! This is why we can't have nice things.

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Originally Posted by Vortex

This has already been beat into the ground and explained, they do not want to separate the "curing waltz" timers because of the advantages that it has over cure spells i.e dosn't cost MP no way of interuptting it and it's instant.

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I'm aware, but like so many of their other "balance" concerns I strongly disagree. WHM and RDM can easily gather enough fast cast/-casttime to make their cures all but instant and they're able to stand out of range of most AoEs whereas we're crippled without a means of constantly generating TP. Even then, splitting them in the above fashion puts our best waltzes (III and V) on the same timer and the low Waltz Potency cap reduces the relative efficiency of our cures now that WHM and RDM have access to substantially more Cure Potency gear.

Doesn't Haste Samba technically "negate the opposite enfeebling effect"?

Its a Haste that can be applied even if you're slowed, Am i wrong? Same can be said for BRD March, and even Madrigal with Acc down, Minuet with Attack down, etc... All of these are "Extremely strong and negate the opposite enfeebling effect".

If i'm reading that right. Also, I'm pretty sure Sphere effects don't make you immune to the debuff (I.E if you have Haste Sphere you're not Immune to Slow...?)

Either way, I think their reasoning for no Sphere is pretty bogus, Theres plenty of Abilitys/spells That counter-act/ignore their Enfeeblement.

Could be reading this all wrong :X

karb im pretty sure the devs just dont know what they are doing with dnc

Honestly, I think the best addition to Dancer would also be one of the most simplistic. Also, I'm sure somebody mentioned it before and in a more intelligent manner than myself. Also, it might be flatly retarded for some reason I have not realized in my current state.

One Waltz that grants Regain or simply gives TP to the target. It would provide an equal amount to whatever the TP cost of the Waltz was.

One Waltz that grants Regain or flat-out gives other people TP in an Area of Effect identical to Divine Waltz. It would cost twice the TP that it restored, but it would have a recast such that you could keep it up full-time for other melee to benefit if it were Regain.

I think the benefit of such things being part of the Waltz line is that it would provide an offensive option when you flat-out don't need to cure anyone. I imagine this would be pretty often, since given the awful recast of Waltzes, it's rare that a Dancer is depended upon to be a healer nowadays. This would further Dancer as a support job, and stick with the theme of "that guy who does stuff with TP".

My apologies if this is idiotic, has already been suggested 10000 times, or most likely both. I took quite a few opiates earlier and my cat got tired of playing with a piece of string with me, so I decided to post this idea instead.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

Honestly, I think the best addition to Dancer would also be one of the most simplistic. Also, I'm sure somebody mentioned it before and in a more intelligent manner than myself. Also, it might be flatly retarded for some reason I have not realized in my current state.

One Waltz that grants Regain or simply gives TP to the target. It would provide an equal amount to whatever the TP cost of the Waltz was.

One Waltz that grants Regain or flat-out gives other people TP in an Area of Effect identical to Divine Waltz. It would cost twice the TP that it restored, but it would have a recast such that you could keep it up full-time for other melee to benefit if it were Regain.

I think the benefit of such things being part of the Waltz line is that it would provide an offensive option when you flat-out don't need to cure anyone. I imagine this would be pretty often, since given the awful recast of Waltzes, it's rare that a Dancer is depended upon to be a healer nowadays. This would further Dancer as a support job, and stick with the theme of "that guy who does stuff with TP".

My apologies if this is idiotic, has already been suggested 10000 times, or most likely both. I took quite a few opiates earlier and my cat got tired of playing with a piece of string with me, so I decided to post this idea instead.

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I like that Idea, might be better as single target though, being as it would have to be super weak to not be overpowered if it hit the whole group. Also, it would be hard to time during fights without overloading some people with TP.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I like that Idea, might be better as single target though, being as it would have to be super weak to not be overpowered if it hit the whole group. Also, it would be hard to time during fights without overloading some people with TP.

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Very true. Maybe the best of both worlds would be if the single-target version were instant TP and the AoE version inflicted Regain?

Yeah, would be a good way to prep for zergs too. Make dancer useful for that. That is if they add more fights like that anyways.

For the moment im gonna wait and see what happens. The recast still needs to be cut whether or not it becomes useful. 2:30 is still excessive in regards to locking other abilities out. Make it the same recast as SF or something like that unless like said above the ws crits or maybe ooooo gives Status effects like some sam ws, and depending on how many hits the ws is will depend on how many effects it gives along with dealing good dmg. That would most definitly make it worth using. I would be happy with 2:30 if the latter happend ^^.