sadly GM's appear to have dropped the ball

Honestly, I've always been of the opinion that NMs shouldn't be able to be claimed until they are back to full strength and all abilities reset, if they simply don't despawn. Noone should be able to benefit from someone else's work.

Another option, and I'll have to try it. Like you, I've had mobs taken when I have hate on them (a disadvantage to kiting with +Movement speed... and bard's cast times). If my hate hasn't completely worn (say a DoT) and someone takes it, I wonder what would happen if I call for help? If it works it would be no less than a vulture crew deserves.

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Originally Posted by Hoshi

I disagree with your post. I cast flash throughout the course of the fight in the interest of having hate on the mob. Being ready to cast flash as Ciren-Croin uses mayhem lantern implies that you're not already mid-cure or doing other white magely type jobs. Sure you could argue that really you should have the blm on top of that sort of thing but often they're mid-nuke. The only answer for us was to have a melee sit out and focus on establishing hate as mayhem lantern was readied. People shouldn't be so eager to gank a mob... but I appreciate that that's how things go in abyssea.

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Then cast Dia as Mayhem Lantern is being charged. Or Slow. Or Paralyze. Or Banish 1. There is a huge, huge, huge window to act in before the NM goes White. Unless you are starting to cast Reraise while the Blm is starting to cast AM1, at the exact moment that Mayhem Lantern is used, there is absolutely no legitimate reason to mess up the claim. Even then, that's straight up a mistake on the part of your mages. You should not need to cast Reraise in the middle of a fight.

Hell, why am I even entertaining such a ridiculous excuse? Cirein-Croin uses 2 TP moves back to back, the latter of which is the only one which has the possibility to be Mayhem Lantern. If a Mage is not ready for that possibility for any reason, when they have such a substantial warning, they done screwed up.

Having basic Enmity from flash is not going to do jack for you to keep claim. People being "eager" to gank mobs also has absolutely nothing to do with Abyssea. I appreciate that that's how things go in MMORPGs.

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I wonder what would happen if I call for help? If it works it would be no less than a vulture crew deserves.

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Give it a try. Perhaps next time they'll learn to pop their own.

GMs don't even reply to you anymore, they just give you stupid premade messages.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

GMs don't even reply to you anymore, they just give you stupid premade messages.

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This has been my experience as well. even after sending a call that said I want a reply from a GM. Does SE even care anymore? I still just got auto message.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Then cast Dia as Mayhem Lantern is being charged. Or Slow. Or Paralyze. Or Banish 1. There is a huge, huge, huge window to act in before the NM goes White. Unless you are starting to cast Reraise while the Blm is starting to cast AM1, at the exact moment that Mayhem Lantern is used, there is absolutely no legitimate reason to mess up the claim. Even then, that's straight up a mistake on the part of your mages. You should not need to cast Reraise in the middle of a fight.

Hell, why am I even entertaining such a ridiculous excuse? Cirein-Croin uses 2 TP moves back to back, the latter of which is the only one which has the possibility to be Mayhem Lantern. If a Mage is not ready for that possibility for any reason, when they have such a substantial warning, they done screwed up.

Having basic Enmity from flash is not going to do jack for you to keep claim. People being "eager" to gank mobs also has absolutely nothing to do with Abyssea. I appreciate that that's how things go in MMORPGs.

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This Exactl.

There is no reason this should have gone past the ~6th post. GG Explained it quite clearly. Yes, It sucks to lose a mob, But stop acting like SE owes you the pop and that someone had to have cheated or the hate mechanics are broken. I know I'm angry if someone steals my mob, But i also know if it gets stolen its no fault but my own. I HATE Vultures, but the best thing you can do for Vultures is fight the mob right so they just wasted their time watching the fight.

Now, Maybe It should be different, but the Claim system/etc is probably so fundamentally embedded in the code of the game any change to it would probably have repercussion we can't foresee. Hell, I'm willing to bet the current dev team probably doesn't even know how to go about changing that code.

That being said, I'll repeat basically what GG has already tried desperately to explain.

The person who performed the very last action on the mob is the one with a claim. Example

"I cast spells all through the fight? Why did it go white?" :
<WHM> Casts Flash
<BLM> Casts Bio
<MNK> Hits
<WAR> Hits

... Who has claim? The WAR! He hit last. This means, If for whatever reason, NO one else touched the mob after the Warrior hit it, and he disengaged, It would turn white. The MNK, BLM, and WHM could all Engage/Disengage forever and it would not go white because the WAR was the last one to perform an action, so he has claim on it.

Solution: As GG Said, When you see Mayhem Lantern charge, Cast a spell on it. Make sure you're the last one to perform an action on it. I.E > Charm goes off > Cast Dia > Kite and it won't go uncharmed.

This isn't really a problem if people would quite making excuses for their failure and just learn from their mistakes like normal human beings. stop trying to find someone to blame, realize its your fault, and learn to prevent future mistakes instead of stomping your feet like a child having a tantrum.

Learn from your mistakes, and move on. yell at your computer maybe even to relieve some stress!

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

GMs don't even reply to you anymore, they just give you stupid premade messages.

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GMs don't seem to respond to anything short of "I'm stuck and can't move" These days... Probably short staffed or overworked >_>

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

GMs don't even reply to you anymore, they just give you stupid premade messages.

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Completely, totally false. I haven't gotten one "premade" message in dozens of GM calls. Ask any GM you talk to. I have made a lot of calls (most of them not abuse-related) in the last month.

What you put in the description makes a huge difference. Think what it's like for the people answering the support calls.

Bad: "PooFlingers LS were being #$^*&^s and stole our NM. BAN EM!"

Good: "I want to report a violation of the terms of service by <Leader of gorup's name>."

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

Honestly, I've always been of the opinion that NMs shouldn't be able to be claimed until they are back to full strength and all abilities reset, if they simply don't despawn. Noone should be able to benefit from someone else's work.

Another option, and I'll have to try it. Like you, I've had mobs taken when I have hate on them (a disadvantage to kiting with +Movement speed... and bard's cast times). If my hate hasn't completely worn (say a DoT) and someone takes it, I wonder what would happen if I call for help? If it works it would be no less than a vulture crew deserves.

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I actually was thinking the same.
It is no fun when people claim the mob you worked so hard for when another PT can easily take it and finish it off from your parties hard work. It is kinda lame how current system allows this.

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Originally Posted by Gennadi

Mobs that go unclaimed are open to anyone else that can claim them. If you can prove you were harassed and is a violation of the TOS then you have a right to a GM call. Otherwise everything else is open to interpretation.

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Then kill-stealing and griefing are now legal in FFXI. So is "denying the enjoyment of the game" to those the stealers believe "suck" too much.

These mercenary groups, which basically troll every major Abyssean mob these days, basically use this known exploit in the rules and the code to steal content they have no right to.

And if our only recourse is to "suck less", then the only real recourse would be not to even attempt the content. This has been a known cheat since the days that an HNM would be claimed by someone and a competing shell would attempt to disrupt their connection to the game and steal it.

That is just as illegal as this, because it works on the same principle of "if it's yellow, it's free game".

Such mobs should depop upon declaim.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Completely, totally false. I haven't gotten one "premade" message in dozens of GM calls. Ask any GM you talk to. I have made a lot of calls (most of them not abuse-related) in the last month.

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The point is that most of us don't even talk to GMs anymore. We don't get the chance.