[Suggestion] Paid Race Change Program.

You can use as many terms as you wish to describe my way of "putting that", "pompous and codescending", however you found yourself locked in your own mentality. If you EXPLAINED actually, except lore and storyline wise how a race change would affect you, that aren't going to do it, it would be a nice argument to discuss about. But justifying it by lore only it's "dumb" and also...wouldn't moving from a Server to another be the same way too ? Or deleting a character, making another one with the same name and the using the Character Reactivation Program to put the one you deleted back into the game, so you're allowed to pick another name ? So how's that going to look to Altana's eyes ? It's a paid feature, like every other, reason why it has NO IMPACT on the gameplay or game lore. As many says, the sudden stat change isn't a issue due to the Atmas that will make up for them. It's just for cosmetics reason for many, other than not wanting to refarm that. I don't see how a, yes, negative comment should be there. This isn't going to hurt anybody except to give some relief to those who cannot fit with their characters. So keep all of your hatred away from this. Again, we're trying to get it to Square-Enix, take the "negativity" elsewhere.
Cheers on your solo-crusade against the topic.

Wow, you are really against any kind of dissenting opinion on this topic being voiced. You're going to quite some trouble to try to personally discredit me as a 'trouble maker' there, buddy.

Moving a character to another server can be explained in that we can move through dimensions and time in the storylines of Wings of the Goddess and Abyssea. Deleting a character is like death and someone having the same name as someone else is hardly uncommon. Bringing a character back to life through 'magic' sounds much more 'believable' than having them change their race. Having them awaken from a long coma. Having them lost in an alternate dimension over a period of time. It's not hard to stretch belief here.

Lots of things have no impact on the game. The teahouse in Whitegate has no impact. Pankration has no impact. It's just, to me, changing one's race on a whim sounds very silly and very dumb.

So why are you so against a dissenting opinion on your topic being heard anyway?

In my personal opinion, saying that race change is unrealistic for a fantasy game is a rather silly objection in of itself. As for your point of no means of lore to possible make it realistic I imply you to look at items/events that impose a costume affect on characters. Even though those are considered costumes I'm sure there's an extreme that can be achieved for a more permanant "costume" effect if you really want to go that route.

People can get surgey in real life to change their apearance to that of another race/gender of someone if they so wish (hell it's probably possible to make one look like a monkey surgically if they really wanted too). So, in actuallity, it's ironic you're argument is about the reality of it being in a fantasy game when it's already possible in the reality of real life.

As far as "changing one's race on a whim" can easy be prevented by my suggestion of having a one-time only use or extended cooldown.

As for what Eldwir is suggesting is that there are quite a number of people that would like this feature to be implemented. And I think we can all (pro-suggestion group) agree that we would like as little reason as possible for Square Enix to turn a blind eye to our suggestion because of a arguement that goes to personal levels is involved. I suggest, if you're opposed to the suggestion(s), to make an opposistion thread to the idea. That way people's personal pride/etc aren't being offended(intentially or otherwise) and thus lead to an unprofessional discussion.

That previous paragraph by the way is intended for everyone involved with this thread not just Eldwir or HFX7686, it's unproductive to have a debate over pure personal biases that is really nothing more than a arguement of dislikes towards others.

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Originally Posted by Ophiuchus

As for what Eldwir is suggesting is that there are quite a number of people that would like this feature to be implemented. And I think we can all (pro-suggestion group) agree that we would like as little reason as possible for Square Enix to turn a blind eye to our suggestion because of a arguement that goes to personal levels is involved. I suggest, if you're opposed to the suggestion(s), to make an opposistion thread to the idea. That way people's personal pride/etc aren't being offended(intentially or otherwise) and thus lead to an unprofessional discussion.

That previous paragraph by the way is intended for everyone involved with this thread not just Eldwir or HFX7686, it's unproductive to have a debate over pure personal biases that is really nothing more than a arguement of dislikes towards others.

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You want me to make a whole new thread to come up with an opposition to the idea posted in this thread? Are you trying to suggest that we should flood the board with multiple threads on the same topic?

Unprofessional discussion about a video game?

Considering that the whole idea of race change is purely an aesthetic desire the idea that this argument is not based completely in personal biases is very silly.

His argument basically comes down to this: Some people like this idea and want race changes to be implemented therefore people who are against such a change should be quiet. My response is thus: Some people are against this and don't want race changes to be implemented therefore people who are for such a change should be quiet.

I think you have misunderstood me. I am against the idea of race changes but I accept that people might want this type of thing. However, I am prepared to argue against such a thing and feel that automatically being told to shut-up when presenting the dissenting opinion is very stupid and short-sighted of the OP. If the OP had stayed on track and argued for his suggestion instead of telling me to go away I would have simply continued to argue the point against the race change idea (or perhaps lost interest). The idea that he feels that someone who disagrees with him is trolling and needs to be quieted is offensive!

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

I think you have misunderstood me. I am against the idea of race changes but I accept that people might want this type of thing. However, I am prepared to argue against such a thing and feel that automatically being told to shut-up when presenting the dissenting opinion is very stupid and short-sighted of the OP. If the OP had stayed on track and argued for his suggestion instead of telling me to go away I would have simply continued to argue the point against the race change idea (or perhaps lost interest). The idea that he feels that someone who disagrees with him is trolling and needs to be quieted is offensive!

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Yes I do agree with you on this point, which is why I tried to make my last paragraph as least targetting to a single person as possible. You're entitled to your opinion just as much as anyone else and I don't mean to try to take that away.

The personal bias was meant to be about how posters feel about each other, not about the topic; it's obvious some poster now feel negatively about each other and that negativity is effecting their discussions. I'm simply stating that those negative vibes drive postings against each other that don't productivly progress the discussion anyway.

That is also for the base for my suggesting of making another thread. One thread for the suggestion and one thread opposed. To try and keep postings that are purely personal distaste of other posters as minimal as possible. I wasn't intending to suggest having a flooding of forums, just a clear seperation of the pros and cons with as little noise as possible. Though now that you've made that point I can see how it could cause many posts of the same issues and do more harm than good so I concede on that debate.

As for debating the actual suggestion I've stated my arguements against yours and invite you to do the same. What are your points agaisnt mine, or perhaps what are some other points you have against it?

I feel this thread is starting to loose it's purpose. If anything, just giving more posts for development team to wade through.

Although I'm not going to reject the fact that people could be against this idea, I still don't see any reason why it'd be such a big deal. If you aren't interested in the service at all then you just won't use it? If the service was implemented, are players against the idea going to seriously rage if they see a linkshell member that was previously Hume but is now Elvaan?

Yes, there is lore, but this is an MMO, a game. MMOs base themselves around character customisation, and it's a big feature that many people enjoy. However people can easily make mistakes or choose options they may later regret, especially if there are a lot of customisation options. If people aren't happy with a choice them made possibly 9 years ago, then why shouldn't they be able to make a that change? Everyone is paying a subscription to play this game and enjoy it, and some people don't enjoy their character's race anymore.

I also find it strange that some kind of debate has evolved from this, seeing as this idea has already been addressed by the development team on the official Twitter, the fact that the reasoning behind not implementing it was regarding RSE, and not any kind of realism or lore related issues. I agree the game has to have a lore that explains various aspects of the game but there is a line in this. What part of lore explains what happens when you log out? How I can hold 80 items, including large weapons and armour, in my pockets? How Cid's teeth came to be as strange as they are?

Let's just keep this in mind: Realistic Fantasy is an oxymoron in itself.

I would like to see this extended to hairstyles and facial markings. I would easily spend a buck or two to change my hairstyle.

I would pay good money to be able to change my race for sure.

I am pretty sure this has been brought up to the Devs on several occasions and believe they have even responded to it a couple times. This is not a new idea anyway. Hell I would just be happy if I could change my hair style, gotta love having red hair when creating a character and then getting in game and having it be orange,

This is my number one, most wanted feature in the game. I don't care how much this service will cost. Please, SE, just make this happen.