[dev1009] Seriously.... how could you make the HNM system worse...

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

If i could agree with you without admitting I'm part of that race.

I would.

I really really would.

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We could start with Asura server :P

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Originally Posted by Kari

A lot of idiots begged for outside exp to be good again, and for reasons to exp outside of Aby.
However, if someone needs KSs, they aren't going to hop in an old-school XP party for them, they're going to solo it or do it with friends. This causes people to do things outside of Aby no more than Magian Trials do.

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It does not matter if you XP in or out of abyssea. you have to fight those EP mobs for KS as they wont drop anymore outside of abyssea than inside it since SE blundered the rate.

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Originally Posted by Kari

A lot of idiots begged for outside exp to be good again, and for reasons to exp outside of Aby.
However, if someone needs KSs, they aren't going to hop in an old-school XP party for them, they're going to solo it or do it with friends. This causes people to do things outside of Aby no more than Magian Trials do.

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A lot of the complaints were for "Reasons to visit old zones"

So replace "Exp oldschool" with "Reasons to visit old zones" in my argument :(

I think my point stands. This is proof the Dev team listens to us, Even if they implemented it in an Ingeniously insidious way.

Sp1cryan you really find camping NMs that much better than farming EPs? Seriously you guys just sound lazy. This is a 100% way to get pops and all you can do is complain. Wow you might actually have to pay attention to get pops, that's just ridiculous.

Also no I don't go on KI any more but it was hardly a joke of a site back in the day. I'd respond more then that but you're just being rude and derailing the thread so I'm just going to ignore it.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

A lot of the complaints were for "Reasons to visit old zones"

So replace "Exp oldschool" with "Reasons to visit old zones" in my argument :(

I think my point stands. This is proof the Dev team listens to us, Even if they implemented it in an Ingeniously insidious way.

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That scares me. The people who post here are not only generally clueless, but just post suggestions I hope never happen. It is sad the official forums had to end up this way. I remember SE posting on Zam saying they read the threads there, What ever happened to that? Zam is made fun of to, but it is not nearly as bad as the people here.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

A lot of the complaints were for "Reasons to visit old zones"

So replace "Exp oldschool" with "Reasons to visit old zones" in my argument :(

I think my point stands. This is proof the Dev team listens to us, Even if they implemented it in an Ingeniously insidious way.

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Replace 'ingeniously insidious' with 'maliciously stupid' and I'll agree with you.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

A lot of the complaints were for "Reasons to visit old zones"

So replace "Exp oldschool" with "Reasons to visit old zones" in my argument :(

I think my point stands. This is proof the Dev team listens to us, Even if they implemented it in an Ingeniously insidious way.

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lol, well still, Magians make me revisit old zones more than farming KSs ever will. [As farming KSs would likely just be one zone, forever.]
I only wish the DEV team listened to us closer, as we hoped for a slightly less tedious method of BB obtaining.

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Originally Posted by Daremo

Replace 'ingeniously insidious' with 'maliciously stupid' and I'll agree with you.

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I'll compromise

Maliciously ingenious.

Edit: Been using Google Translate to try and see how the JP's feel, and i can say, I have no clue.

I don't think they're upset as we are, but i think a few of them are upset about the removing BB items from NQs, But i also think a lot of them care more about D.ring and some Abj's than BB items.

Ok lets get back on track...

I understand that people may like this change because it makes it 100% (meaning that instead of a chance at a chance (HNM claiming) you are practically guaranteed to fight NM X) - which on this aspect I'm all for. No one is calling for these things to be handed to them on a silver platter. At the end if it all, I'm trying to point out that Effort =/= Reward in the case of this particular update. Balancing Effort and Reward is one of the defining and fundamental things in game design - and in this instance there is a glaring unbalance.

I think this is kinda weak, too. My monk is level 15 and staying there, and as other have pointed out, almost all the other drops are worthless. Most of us will agree on the value of Defending Ring. I still think Ridill is a decent offhand weapon. Outside of that, these NMs don't mean much to me personally. That said, I think this system was a horrible idea. Someone posted about how we can solo the lower tier versions at this point. Now we're going to need full parties for KBC99. We also need seals, and that can take a while. Add on lower drop rates when you finally get through to the higher tier HNM. It's a ridiculously involved process. It's going to create a lot of congestion at the KBC arenas and spawn areas for a while. EXP parties are going to turn into kindred seal lotting wars lol. It's also going to be significantly easier to do mercenary activities. Now you can do a mercenary run at any time!

This is just illogical. I don't understand why Square-Enix thinks it needs to keep creating increasingly more annoying/draining time sinks in a game with so much content. I get they want our subscription dollars, but there's so much content, time sinks aren't prudent. Say what you want about WoW, but the reason it has like a billion times the subscribers as FFXI is because there is less time demand on the player and more sense of achievement. Why hasn't SE learned anything from the more successful competition? The terrible product that FF XIV shows clearly how out of touch SE is with the user base.