10000 plutons seems too extreme to upgrade relics

when you can have a BST aoe cleave 75 merits for everyone in less than 15minutes, and you can make a party that does an avatar fight on very difficult in under 10 minutes, i'd do that over marrow/scoria farming anyday. The drop rates on parcel/boxes rewards well geared+jobpoint leveled characters, which it should, and what SE balanced around most likely.

Whether you need the rocks to upgrade your own weapons or just want to make gil selling them, its hands down the most efficient use of your time right now.

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Originally Posted by Tidis

Makes me wonder what would be less time consuming, 10k beitetsu or 60 scoria, farming ZNM for PW pops 30-60 times would take quite a while.

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Probably the Beitetsu, the BCNMS also drop the other stone cases which you can sell and you can spend that gil on buying, speeding that process up.
Apart from that, it's incredibly easy to get merits for the BCNMs.

ZNM hardly drop anything worth selling so you'll be farming scoria until the end with hardly any other means to speed the process up, the gil that drops from the NM's will probably help a bit, but not as much considering the current market price of a single Scoria.

Unless you have an army of mules to build PW pops on, then farming Scoria would probably be faster.

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Originally Posted by Tidis

Makes me wonder what would be less time consuming, 10k beitetsu or 60 scoria, farming ZNM for PW pops 30-60 times would take quite a while.

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60? Don't you need 150?

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Originally Posted by detlef

60? Don't you need 150?

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I think he means farming them to sell for gil to buy the beitetsu.

No, can't you get more than one scoria from a kill?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No, can't you get more than one scoria from a kill?

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The drop rate on a second scoria is roughly 10%.

Which is ~137 pandy kills to get 150 scoria.

However, if beitetsu are selling for 1.3mil per stack, and you need 101 stacks to do the upgrade, that's 131 million gil. Which is what they're going for on Asura last time. And Scoria are going for about 7 million gil on Asura at the moment. So you could sell 19 scoria and buy the beitetsu instead of farming 150 scoria or 10k beitetsu.

I assume the odd numbers are from prices differing by server.

Of course as soon as this campaign ends you can bet your bottom dollar the prices will go up and availability down

My mistake, for some reason I had it in my head that you only needed 60 scoria for afterglow.

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Originally Posted by Ulth

Anyway the solution is simple don't buy at these prices. After a few weeks of having their junk rocks mailed back to them the prices will go down. Til then just save up your money or farm them yourself.

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Someone always says this whenever something is expensive in this game. The price probably isn't going to be going down significantly on Pluton/Beitesu unless they find some way to massively increase the supply. Before you argue that right now they're expensive because everyone's rushing to finish their existing weapons, consider that the campaign and the shiny new patch smell are also causing the supply to be much higher than it otherwise would be. As long as relics and mythics are spammable in a few weeks of semi-casual farming there will be a constant demand for Plutons/Beitetsu. Boulders will go down over time if only because of how tedious it is to 99 an Empyrean, and a ton of Empyreans 99'd are Harps anyway.

But to be completely honest, I don't really think this trial is that unreasonable at all considering how powerful the end result is. I don't really see how it's any worse than the grind many people did to get their RME just a few years ago, and it's still infinitely less soul crushing than the difficulty of getting a relic/mythic in the old days, that's for sure.

Plutons, Beitetsu, and Boulders pretty much drop from everything right now. They aren't like plates where they only drop from a fraction of the the fights of only one event. There is a plentiful supply of all of them as I have seen upwards of 100 stacks of them on the AH. I can't recall the last time I saw 100 stacks of anything on the AH. The supply is high, just not as high as the demand, but the demand is limited.