I don't know the numbers for EU region, but chances are good the math says that the profit:loss ratio of making XBox disc for EU region wasn't good enough for it to go into production, same as with NA PS2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo
I'm not privy to the numbers myself, but that's what makes sense. I'm pretty sure that if the numbers were there to back up the case that making XBox EU and PS2 NA discs would lead to meaningful profits, SE would leap at the chance.
To be clear, I'm not telling anyone to be happy about this or that it doesn't suck. But have some understanding about why things are the way things are and you can see that this isn't SE trying to anger you... it's just a crappy situation.
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03-29-2013, 07:07 AMVolkai
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03-29-2013, 07:42 AMJouriStarz
Life isn't fair people, get over it.
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03-29-2013, 07:51 AMSarick
TybudX or should I say Elementa THANK you for the rude childish insults. You made nothing but a horrid example of how to respond about the technology issues facing a high percentage of the populace. What I stated was some people would rather not deal with complexities of computers. This is true on any aspect of life for people who live it normally.
That wiki link about graphics did nothing for your credibility. It didn't even acknowledge the point I was making as it was totally irrelevant to the subject. Those touches I was talking about was getting things to function right with drivers installation in such. I wasn't talking about tweaking the graphics settings. Out of context partial quotes are still out of context. Links to what may contain valuable information doesn't mean squat if its unrelated to the context.Quote:
PC's aren't as easy to setup for just anyone. FFXI being as old as it is needs a few touches to get it working right.
Please with all do respect get over that superiority complex. You didn't even recognize what I was actually talking about. Instead you started trash talking me for my valid opinions while pointing to links that weren't relevant to the part you quoted in my post.
Now let me explain the context. You can pay someone to fix your car or you an do it yourself. That doesn't mean that everyone knows how to fix their cars. Just because they've been out over 100 years doesn't make everyone experts at fixing them. Lets say you own a few vehicles that doesn't make you an expert with all of them. It also doesn't give you the right to tell others they are stupid for owning their outdated obsolete cars.
IMHO, if a person wants to choose simplicity or some highly skilled person wants a super car let them. It's sad though when another person feels the need to belittle another for choosing a standard or last years model. Look at Jay Leno he enjoys cars from the 1800s. I'm sure he'd look at your car (if you have one) and say WOW that's an awesome car you have! /Sarcaism If it get's them from point A to point B without causing trouble then it's good enough for some people.
Lets look at a donkeys perspective of a sanitary cat doing his business. He thinks lesser of the cat for covering his excrement. This doesn't make the donkeys choice to leave it uncovered a better one. Either way excrement stinks and It's unsanitary. Excreta It should always be covered up or avoided. The cat chooses to cover it and avoid the extra smell while donkeys don't. This is why donkeys should be given enough space to lie down or eat away from their own excreta.
My understanding is people should be given the choice to keep things simple if they wish by covering their waste. Waste being stuff they'd rather avoid working with like a complex setup or super car. Some opinions differs like the donkeys. He thinks "hey. let's just leave it behind." with callous for others who might step in it. I strongly disagree with those disgusting attitudes.
I don't have to pay others to fix my computers and would like to keep it that way. The only time I look down on people with computers is when I tell them "DON'T DO THIS YOU'LL MESS UP YOUR COMPUTER!" and they do it anyway causing something to break (I'm usually ask to fix it! and they just break it again!).
If people are given something simple like a console or smart phone that's less work for the both of us if something fails. In hindsight simple has it's advantages just the same as a complex setup. Just because someone knows something well doesn't make them right. These people who want things simple are not stupid. They just aren't experts by choice or nature. To say otherwise is a delusional self-centered view of reality.
In the case of PC's vs Playstations it's not always that easy dispute what you think in this wonderful technical world. It's clear most of the population runs to new tech because greed, unfulfilled desire or some corporate entity persuades their subconscious judgement to abandon older tech and move forward.
In your case there is passion a lot fury, and some knowledge. How petty is this to show these attributes world in such manner? You should be using that creative skill to help others move forward in a positive way instead of belittling them as lesser beings for their choices or lack of technical understanding.
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It's also good to see another MULE talking rudely on public forum. At least show some fortitude and use your real character when being so anti-social. This way people know who's slinging garbage. Also, show some respect next time you might get some in return. I choose to mention excrement because it suited your response. -
03-29-2013, 08:08 AMSarickWithout any disrespect. At first this wasn't clear and scared the crap out of a lot of players. This was compounded by the response that was made. It didn't indicate that the expansion pack would be installable on XP systems. The PS2 being removed from the expansion gave a different vib when this announcement was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
I don't remember the exact link but when people questioned the reasons it was stated that the next EXPANSION didn't support it. Not something like "We aren't supporting it after the next expansion." Can you see where the misunderstanding was made. There was never a public statement to correct that miscommunication. Taking into account how quickly PS2 was dropped and how they didn't try to officially reassure customers. It made a mess of things.
It's was a blunder of communication. The PS2 being dropped wasn't a failed communication. They openly explained why and said the expansion wouldn't install on the PS2. There was no statement that it would or wouldn't install on the XP PC's. THey only said that the software would continue to run for the time being. Continue to run and being updated to the new expansion are completely different pictures.
Communication is the breakdown here. The loss of support may or may not be an issue in the future. I know I have multiple systems running fine. They are dedicated to ONLY this game. They don't need security patches as much as the average player who uses their OS for everything inside the interwebbs. So why should I be forced to abandon them like I did the PS2s when the FFXI client broke the functionality of them?
As for them not supporting it that's different. Hey if they break something and your on XP, tough luck! They don't support it and probably won't fix it on their end. So it does really matter? I assume like it mattered when the PS2 clients started having black screen issues. Several players mentioned these and they where never fixed. Keep in mind PS2 is/was still being supported at that time and still is. So putting the XP and PS2 support issues into context compels a logical conclusion that there will probably be unknown or unfavorable outcomes from the recent announcements in the near future. -
03-29-2013, 10:31 AMSarickYou say that like you've already died? Are you posting from the great beyond. Hehe, I'm just kidding.Quote:
Originally Posted by JouriStarz
Could you think of another way to influence people because this isn't helping anyone move forward. Perhaps you could offer to buy them new custom PC systems with windows 8 and tweeked FFXI installs. That'd make everyone who lost support very very happy.
Is that fair enough for you? My guess is NO so, why did you say that? Was it not enough to let them die in piece? Another NO, because you was compelled rub it in their face with an awesome comment like that.
/clap motion <me> <wait 1>
/em starts a slow clap! <wait 4>
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03-29-2013, 11:37 AMJouriStarz
Not rubbing anything in anyone's face just stating an obvious fact. There is a difference between complaining about something changing that you dislike and acting like you're entitled with the "customer is always right" mentality. The truth is life isn't fair and everyone won't be pleased when things change but yes they have to deal with it and get over it eventually.
If for whatever reason people are only able to play FFXI on PS2 and nothing else whatsoever then well it just sucks for them. Not trying to sound like a douche that's just how it is. -
03-29-2013, 11:38 PMSarickThe customers are right sometimes, Just look at the news. You think a company can live with that reality "just live with it" if it's bleeding customers? If people aren't happy you don't see a profitable future no matter how much you invest. The customers playing on FFXI right now are mostly hard core and will stick it out till the end no matter what development choices are made.Quote:
Originally Posted by JouriStarz
Overall, if you have a low satisfaction rate for your business model it doesn't expand. Just look at world of Warcraft I don't even own an account but when I called them up over emails I was getting the support staff treated me like gold. It's things like this that make people think about services. I think I explained why a lot of PS2 users where forced to move to PC/360 or quit. There are many factors. In my case it was because the client failed to function or get fixed in the first place.
There is a defined pattern since the pre-launch of FFI (The one on NES). If you know your history you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. The name itself means more then most people realize. I could go on about details. It's just good history when you learn something new.
It always takes a major decline to cause restructure in some business models bringing out the best creativity. Obviously, the markets are hurting everywhere but that's no reason to just tell people give up. After all sometimes It's best just to avoid commenting about something that doesn't affect you if you really don't care or understand it.
With the callous attitude "Just deal with it" and you'll always encounter devastating repeats of the past. It's not like all customers can be thrown away without repercussions. People lose jobs if companies make mistakes. If you upset your loyal customers or stockholders they eventually invest their money elsewhere. You might not be fully aware so I'll point you to check the financial news come this 31st.
If you still feel froggy you can sing that frog song after the big announcement. Until then be leery of people who say "JUST DEAL WITH IT". After all you might find yourself falling on your rear beside them out in the cold harsh reality. If it's not obvious all things have a cause and effect that may have created a chain reaction further down the road. When those bad things happen something caused them.
The PS2 being dropped US is to save money. I can understand why the PS2 community didn't grow but the PS3 never got a chance to replace the PS2 version. As a result this game as a whole lost the chance at gaining some new players.
Want some details about why customers matter? While other rivals continue to grow in popularity the egregious reaction towards the Final Fantasy brand grows equally. What does this mean? You figure it out. I don't think I need to explain things. "Not trying to sound like a douche that's just how it is." -
03-30-2013, 12:45 AMxiozenQFTQuote:
Originally Posted by wildsprite
They already told us, well in advance of the release, that it would not be available on the Playstation 2 system--so to see an entire post devoted to venting over something that was already clarified from the start is a waste of space IMHO.
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03-30-2013, 02:57 AMElizara
Guys, guys. I am a PS2 to PC transplant myself. (Was sharing account at the time and we had a fat PS2 argument, so I finally installed it on the PC. My brother I was sharing with is mostly retired now)
I thought of this when it was announced that us English speaking players wouldn't have access to the expansion for the PS2, so I wrote a guide; Believe me, for a hardcore PS2 player, swapping isn't as easy as it sounds if you wanna keep your account. (Most PS2 players are security dumb, I've seen it) You can find a version on Allakahzam and on FFXI AH. And yes, feel free to ask questions, the only thing I can't answer is how to get a PS3 controller on the PC. Haven't done it. -
03-30-2013, 04:11 AMTybudX
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/45610...ur-windows-pc/
I use that software for ps3 and XBox controllers, never had any problems.
Sarick. Let me get this straight. You are defending the impossible to maintain position of linking 5 PS2s together with Cerebro to form a super computer in order to play FFXI. You think keeping Professor X tied up in a basement to control all this is less frightening than downloading drivers for a laptop. You somehow managed to say all of this in 10,000 words or more.
Your own LS mate came in here and told you what was going on with Windows XP, and instead of realizing that you made a mistake you turned it around and made out like it was SE's fault for being vague about what dropping support for XP means. This is despite Analhelm explaining it to you in one clear, concise sentence. Analhelm. Sarick, I took your signature to heart and rated Anal up for his posts.
Next you go on to defend your right to be obstinate by claiming that although the customer isn't always right, you are. Clearly your knowledge of marketing and economy should weigh more on how SE delivers this game to people than their own metrics. They should figure out how to make the piecemeal code work on ps3 architecture in order to keep the tiny fraction of players using ps2 happy. You know how you are complaining about simple to fix problems with running a 12 year old program on an 8 year old laptop? Bethesda couldn't get Skyrim working on ps3. Do I really need to explain to you the nightmare that FFXI would become if it was ported to ps3? Really? You think you are unhappy with a few missing animations? Come on man. Quit being an asshole.